full circle

You should reference my other comment in this thread. You're correct that statements like "all men are trash" are unjustly prejudiced, but you're making a false equivalence.

The easiest way to see if it's OK is to swap out "men" with any other protected characteristic. If, having done that it suddenly becomes problematic, it was always so and they should've known better.

No. You are making an equivalence argument that misses the reality of power dynamics and the context of like centuries of documented social oppression.

Edit: Fuck I didn’t see erin beat me to it.

This definitely misses the power imbalance of punching down vs up. If someone genuinely believes all men are "scum," yeah, that's prejudiced. However, there is a big difference between a group that has less power in society pushing up against the class that has more power or oppresses them and the reverse. The idea that "y group is (insert pejorative)" and "x group is (insert pejorative)" are equally bigoted statements assumes that x and y groups are equal in social power. Statements like "men are trash" or equivalent don't necessarily represent an individual's true opinion of all men, but a general pushing back against a group with more power, many individuals of which attempt to exercise their perceived privilege over women.

Women that say "all men are trash" or similar might not be thinking with this level of introspection and subtlety, but it's a subconscious reaction to their position as a group with less power. They rarely hold that on a personal level against every individual man, unless they've been deeply hurt. I have experienced things that make it harder for me to trust men. My friends have experienced things that make it harder to trust men. I do not think every man is evil. When you see the damage around you on societal levels, see the people calling for your rights to be taken away, see how they treat you like an object or property because of who you are, and you see it in the lives of many many people like you, it creates a resentment of the group that is responsible.

I am not suggesting that there are no women that take advantage of men. I am not suggesting that men cannot be abused. I am not suggesting that it's okay to make men feel responsible for the actions of people that share only a gender with them, nothing else. However, I am explaining why women might feel hurt or disempowered enough to push back against men in general, and why "men are trash" and "women are trash" (though far more often, the phrase when targeted at women takes a sexual connotation: whores, etc) are not equivalent statements. Both the women that have been hurt and the men that feel hurt by the byproduct of their resentment are victims of the patriarchy. Until everyone, regardless of gender, holds the same societal power, there will always be people of all groups being hurt by the imbalance.

TLDR: Don't resent the women who are a product of their environment saying "men are trash," resent the patriarchy that hurts men and women alike.

So just because shitty men exist, we're supposed to say "welp generalizing us is fair because technically men like this exist"?

Yep.

See the sibling reply from @erin@lemmy.blahaj.zone here for a great explanation about how power dynamics work on this topic, but also:

So yeah I wouldn't really conclude that if you see one example of someone being disgusting then you have to allow yourself to be falsely aligned with them.

One example? Really? That’s horse shit and you know it. Misogynistic behavior is a rampant, massive problem everywhere; online and in real life.

Your argument sounds suspiciously like someone looking to justify shitty behavior.

“You can’t acknowledge an extremely well documented culture of hate because that’s reverse sexism/racism”

“You can’t say men are bad because some men are good and if you don’t give them special attention for being good they might start being bad.”

“Some men have it hard too so power imbalance doesn’t exist and you can’t use it to explain why some women are mistrustful of men in general”.

“We need to leave the status quo because if we don’t maybe the others will get control and then they’ll treat us like we treat them now”

All of the above are shitty arguments.

Ok.

He clearly doesn't hate himself. Stop trying to us vs them.

"Men" are harmful in the same way that you don't put your hand on an electric stove. You assume it's going to hurt you until you find out otherwise.

I don’t hate myself.

I hate that enough men out there are such amazing assholes that it has created a generational issue which understandably has led to the assumption that as a man I’m probably an asshole too.

I hate that women understandably see me in public and make assumptions about my risk factor to them because victimizing women is way too common place.

Me, however, I’m pretty ok with.

Pro tip: these people rarely ever make any sense, because they are mental ill.

MAGA is not a political party or ideology. It is a mental illness fuelled by narcissism, religion, tribalism, anti-intellectualism, and nationalism. It's a dead-end death cult where feelings mean everything, and reality means nothing.

I saw a comment on YouTube a few weeks ago that I think perfectly captures the mindset of the people who scream about the "woke mind virus".

The comment was something like "I never had a problem trusting a minority surgeon, but now they're all woke DEI hires and I can't trust any of them."

In other words, "I had no problem with minority surgeons when there were almost none of them because I had to accept that there were a handful of 'good ones' that worked hard and earned it. But now that I'm seeing more of them, I know lots of the 'bad ones' are getting in that could only get in because it was handed to them because of their skin color."

In these people's minds, 95% of white people are "good ones" and 95% of minorities are "bad ones". So if any respectable job has more than a few percent of minorities, the only logical conclusion for them is that there are lots of "bad ones" getting jobs they aren't qualified for and didn't earn.

Many people on the right think that everyone on the left supports tax payer paid gender reassigment surgeries for undocumented immigrants in custody just the same way as many people on the left believe that everyone on the right is misogynistic, transphobic racist.

I don't see which food is being referred to as a "sometimes food" so I will just assume that Cookie Monster was referring to non-cookies when he said that.

Gender, like sexuality, is a spectrum and making it black and white is dumb. It's all the colours of the spectrum that make life wonderful.

Some are some aren’t. It’s probably closest to the mid 20th century American concept of transvestite, which at the time encompassed everyone from transsexuals (at that time the medical definition of transsexual required what we would today describe as severe dysphoria and exclusive Heterosexuality) to the more modern definitions of trans people, both binary and nonbinary, as well as cisgender crossdressers of all varieties. Source

Ehh a fair amount of them do identify as trans(which is one of the reasons ladyBOY is a really sexist name) and something similar to femboys in the west but there are also the ones who are closer to being males and they just do it for money which is extremely sad. But i am a straight(enough that i have all the priviledge) european male so this just what i heard from others.

Did you just see my neighbors driveway through their ring camera?!

They must take a lot of shit on bowling league nights when they show up in a hybrid.

No, to most of them viruses and bacteria are all just "germs". But considering how many people believe fluoride is for mind control I can easily imagine them believing the "Biden crime family" are literally spreading mind-control germs that turn people gay or atheist or make them love SoCiALiZm.

nope it's not a euphemism or nope they don't believe it's an actual virus?

I remind myaelf of this all the time, to the point that this post pretty much wins the thread.

(Which is on top of:

Sanity is overrated No i mean it i reject Sanism )

Yeah, I reckon it's good to question one's own beliefs and presuppositions. Still, it's upsetting.

What if I understand my enemy but not myself?

I love treats :D

maybe "androgynous" would be a better direct translation but what do i know

Freaking fascinating.

Trans people didn't "pop into existence," they've always been here, even being an important group in the Stonewall riots.

It's just that it became more acceptable to come out, so reactionaries went full-on open season on them in an effort to force them back in the closet in an aggressive attempt to protect their own fragile identities.