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Tagging @Snoopy@piefed.social.

This is a great summary of the history of the topic, thank you!:-)

Bc a network of forum boards?

Might be too obvious:-).

Alternatively, The Linux hangout.

I noticed PieFed.social on page 9, and the link is functional, even though next to it the status says "disabled".

That site doesn't seem very trustworthy. I wonder if it is measuring how "Lemmy-like" an instance is? Anyway I've never heard of that site before, but passing the note to @rimu@piefed.social anyway in case it helps:-).

You are very welcome 😁

Yay Jayne was fairly simplistic. The dude barely had any morality bc he was more animal than man. So in that way he played a "straight man" to Mal'a greater level of complexity? He even gave voice to what many of the others were thinking, including Mal himself, but they had the grace to not say it.

True evil requires a minimum amount of "character" in order to achieve anything at all - great or otherwise. So it's less like Jayne was "bad" and the government was "good", and more like Jayne was simplisticly animal-like, while the true evils rose up much higher. With great power comes great responsibility, or whatever.

Jayne is like a wall painting in the background - he's scenery?

As far as Whedon, I dunno, I like a lot of his works, I don't like his character. The two aren't entirely connected in my mind, though perhaps they should be more so, I just don't know.

On the other hand, wasn't all of this pretty much happening even while the show was still in production? You mentioned that it had "aged", so I wasn't coming at this from a perspective of bad show vs. good show, but from it having been a good show where something external caused its goodness to have tanked. If it had been bad at the start, then we wouldn't say that it "aged", just that the show sucked. Which it didn't... and yet, also... didn't it always though? That yin and yang seemed to me to have not been so much changed by the passage of time?

Edit: oh, I haven't heard of whatever has been revealed about the actor who plays Jayne. Maybe that's what you meant. It might change my own perspective of the show in that case. I would hope not actually... but it might.

I feel like that's more just human nature, which occurs everywhere.

Also, you still retain the right to say whatever you want... though conversely, why then shouldn't the other side of every single conversation likewise have the right to opt out of it?

Unfortunately Lemmy does not offer great tools (though PieFed offers many more!) to close the enormous gap between "must federate everything" vs. "defederation, thus no longer federates anything at all". Like there's a "user instance block", which doesn't actually block instances nor users on them. So if someone doesn't like something, block it is then, bc the tools themselves offer nothing else. We are somehow more authoritian than even Reddit was over here!? Yeah, bc Reddit at least notifies you when your content is removed, and offers a modmail to communicate about it, plus a removed post remains accessible to anyone with a link, but not so wrt Lemmy, which shows a 404 not found, please try again later message when a post is removed by a mod. Seriously, "try again"?! - why, is the mod going to reconsider for some reason?

But... it is what it is.

So far, mainly from this post bc the poll has such a small sample size, the term that seems vastly preferred is Threadiverse. Bc of its history, and how people have already been calling it that. Sort this post by Hot to see what I mean.

I don't think Forumverse is "bad", plus as you say it better represents the new additions of nodebb and flarum. Although that term would be swimming against the tide of people that have been using Threadiverse all this time and seem to not want to switch (possibly bc I did not explain the situation well, especially the clarification about the term Fediverse already existing, and now how the situation is a bit different wrt nodebb and flarum).

Ofc this is all just on a Sunday -> there is still lots of room for things to happen in the next coming days, to see how these results may shift:-).

Thank you for weighing in, this is quite helpful! 🙏

I think one of the major tropes present in the show was to demonstrate how there aren't simply white hats vs. black hats (to use cowboy terms). Mal is a criminal, "forced" into living that way bc the government won't "allow" him to live legitimately (except... really? Why won't they again?). Therefore, the presence of great darkness within his lightness, or as you might prefer the presence of occasional boughts of lightness within his darkness, is not a "bug", it's a "feature" of the show, to walk out that yin and yang in a fantasy space opera setting.

Nobody is perfect. Some are far less so than others. Those at least tend to be aware of their imperfections, as opposed to e.g. The Galactic Empire muwhahaha, ahem cough, anyways they seem so stolid, so absolutely certain of their moral righteousness, that unlike the criminal Mal who often isn't such a bad guy once you get to know him, commits atrocities the likes of which would turn people's stomachs, if they knew (hence those are kept as closely guarded secrets).

So I think you missed that: from the perspective of the show, that was no accident - that was literally the entire point of what they were attempting to convey. Mal was not a "good guy". He just had light in his darkness, the same way that the empire has darkness in its light (or is it rather the other way around?).

B-b-but Lemmy isn't known for aggressive, opinionated users, i-i-is it!? :-P

That works for Lemmy + K/Mbin.

But now with +PieFed, +nodebb, and soon +flarum, and perhaps +Sublinks, Lemmyville doesn't seem very inclusive?

I already started this as a poll about post flairs, neither of which features is nor is expected to appear on Lemmy very soon iirc. The rest of the Fediverse isn't waiting around for coders to learn Rust and eventually getting around to adding features to Lemmyville.

So Lemmy in particular may want to not start being exclusive! It will get left behind if it does!

It was Lemmy+Mbin.

Now it's already up to Lemmy+Mbin+PieFed+nodebb.

And flarum and Sublinks may be added at some point as well.

So the plus syntax, now that there's already 4-6 of them (7 if you count Kbin but there's only a single instance in the entire world, in Poland I believe, that uses it these days, everyone else switched to Mbin), seems untenable?

I'm not sure what you mean by that -> if you mean that we need new episodes, then absolutely! Or if you mean that real life has caught up to implementing those ideas real-time, I think that was always going to be the case, sadly...:-(

On the other hand, the software used has an ENORMOUS effect upon the quality and such of the communication. e.g. forum software such as Lemmy allow much longer-form, topic-based discussions than e.g. Mastodon where you have to follow a particular user account or else you won't see anything at all. So "Mastodon" implies extreme difficulty in having conversations in the first place, especially for non-technical, normie users, and also a heavily short-form tweets/X-cretes/skeets/whatever, user-centric form of communication. Whereas Lemmy allows me to ramble on for quite awhile, and even if you don't follow my account, by being interested in this topic, you'll see my words.

So software isn't everything, but it also is not nothing either.

Anyway, we could call ourselves anything we like. Brain-dead fart pirates, I don't care, so long as we pick a name:-). It might help to pick one that people like though, especially the people that contribute much to making this place what it is.

I personally don't mind -verse. I don't watch most Marvel movies to begin with, and the word itself carries connotations of "the universe", which is what we want I think bc we are talking about like "the set of all, i.e. the universe of, connected (using ActivityPub protocol) forum-like software platforms". Hence Fediverse at the high end, i.e. including such platforms as Mastodon and Friendica and Pixelfed, but at the lower end... what there? Threads? ActivityPub Forums? Any short, catchy moniker may work -> so what is it then?

Yeah and I did not clarify well here that nobody will stop using Fediverse (I think?!): that is a fine term that should continue to exist. But we also need a term for the subset of that which the likes of Lemmy, Mbin, PieFed, and now as you say nodebb and soon flarum (and perhaps eventually Sublinks?) and ofc many others will also join. What is this subset of the Fediverse to be called?

Ngl, I kinda just instantly fell in love with fediforums as you mentioned it right here. However, it also seems fairly similar to Fediverse, perhaps too much so?

Forumverse seems more distinct, from the Fediverse? As too does Threadiverse. And the latter has history and traction, but also seems a bit tainted by association with Meta, who seems to destroy everything that it touches? :-P Though importantly, we here on Lemmy were using it first! So is that enough justification to reclaim the term, in people's minds? What do you in particular think?

Yeah, what features? Polls? Community flairs? The ability to restrict downvotes to only members of a community? The ability to combine multiple communities into one overarching category? And then customize that without needing admin support, and then also share that with other users? The ability to personally block every user from an instance, again without requiring admin approval? The ability to automatically label every user that has a brand new account, less than two weeks old? Or that posts 10x more often than they comment, hence might be an unregistered bot account? Or that gives and receives 10x more downvotes than upvotes, so is at best a controversial and at worst a highly toxic personality - but again, independent of an admin or moderator, and instead being totally in control of the user? Or the ability to block posts based on keywords, but perhaps not all such posts, and instead having granularity of All vs. None vs. Some? Or offering hashtags for content discoverability beyond communities and categories of communities? Or the ability to follow anything you want - a community, a user, a post, a comment (even not made by you) - and arguably far more importantly, the ability to NOT receive notifications for something that you wrote?

PieFed has all of that, and more. Lemmy has none of it. Do as you please, but now you know. Check it out: https://piefed.social/ .

Edit: even Reddit lacks many of these features. As it enshittified, it kept adding features that attempted to boost its profitability, like various forms of irl coinage, rather than provide stuff that people actually wanted to see.

I mean, yeah it'll be better to have a term in which Reddit plays no part in defining is!

And this post is an opportunity to make exactly such a term!

Say "fuck spez" in the absolute best way possible - by moving on and forget that he ever existed, as we build our own stuff here.:-D

True, but doesn't Xhitter and Bluesky and Mastodon also have a type of voting? Even if it is called or functions slightly differently?

I did not explain much of the back story, but the Fediverse is already the term used to describe federated social media, so the term here that we need is to pick one that describes the specific subset of it that focuses on threaded conversions, centered around those topic areas (called posts, and then those topics being further aggregated into higher-level topics, called communities) rather than centered around a user tweeting/X-creting/whatever their shit.

And we also have a focus on much longer-form content than those others, which like Mastodon have smaller character limits imposed upon their thoughts (so that they cannot ramble on as I have done here:-).

But that would mean that we mainly talk about Linux...

Which, yup, sounds about right!

In that case though, [puts actshually hat on], wouldn't it be gun+verse?