The difference of stealing yourself vs being stolen from

Give him his due, he managed to convince one single country that the colour of a text message matters 😂

Obligatory fuck iMessage lock-in.
He’s the guy that *invented” rounded corners
Did it to themselves
- For real, if google didn’t completely screw up messaging every single year it wouldn’t be as big of a deal.

As a mobile app developer, I lost count of how many times Android would implement something New And Shiny, and then Apple would come along, sometimes years later, implement that same thing for iOS and declare and market it as Magical and Revolutionary. Usually the iOS one would be a better one, because they'd let Android work most of the bugs out, but I don't recall too many things that Apple did that had never been seen before.

Not to mention in the early years, all of the logic you'd see from iPhone enthusiasts who would convince themselves that they didn't need X or Y feature from Android and in fact iOS is better without it anyways because it just works, only for Apple to turn around and implement it a couple months or years later anyways.

Basic features like the notification shade, quick actions, home screen widgets, etc. I saw a lot of people happily claim they were better off without these things.
- Yes. I remember being argued down that "we don't need copy and paste! That's not an important feature!". Smh
- Oh shit they have widgets now? Still no app drawer though I bet.
This is so true.

For 10 years (2011 to 2021) I carried both an Android phone (personal) and an iPhone (work provided). Both phones were updated about every 2 years.

Over those years I've watched IOS get closer and closer to Android. The funny thing is Android has also been creeping towards IOS in some areas, though that is to a lesser extent than the other way around.

In recent years they've gotten pretty close to each other in basic functionality.

I still prefer Android, but IOS is much less annoying to use than it was a decade ago.
- Guy at work literally laughed when I said iOS totally ripped off android navigation, thought Apple did that, pulled up a YT vid of when gesture navigation started, he walked away with his head down.
  
  Then of course I followed him around going on about restricted Bluetooth for years, NFC chips they couldn't use, how long ago the first Google wallet came out, and of course, how I can move my icons out of the way so I can actually see my wallpaper, which is too advanced for the apple devs LOL.
  
  But agreed, iPhones are half descent now, great hardware, just wish people could actually use it the way they wanted to .

Steve Jobs was full of shit and killed himself with his own over confidence.

If he'd made it to Covid times, he would have died from Covid after injecting bleach and horse dewormer failed to alleviate the illness.
- Dont embarrass yourself with the horse dewormer stuff.
The guy had no furniture in his house because he couldn’t find any that met his expectations.

I think there’s an occasional lesson to draw from his uncompromising nature, focus on customer experience, and marketing talent. But he was clearly a pile of shit as a human being.

And in the end the lying salesman died because of snakeoil therapy. I wish more stories had such a happy ending.

He had the rare treatable pancreatic cancer, and he didn't treat it because he didn't believe in modern medicine.
- Goes to show how stupid supposedly smart people are.

As a PocketPC (WinMo) user before the iPhone even existed, I take offense to the claim.

They pioneered capacitive touchscreen for ease of use, but I had ditched dumb phones years before iPhone.

Note XDA refers to the old Windows Mobile XDA phone and then became an Android community. I was there for that transition and none of us were very impressed with the iPhone, but understood that it would be something for the tech illiterate would eat up.

When Android came out, we went from Custom Roms for WinMo to Custom ROMs for Android.

Not just Windows Mobile, but Blackberry OS, Palm OS, Symbian, not to mention the madlads hacking Linux onto feature phones (which eventually gave us PostMarketOS). iOS was actually very underwhelming when it came out, was(is) explicitly function over form and basically had(has) "it looks pretty and feels sleek" as its only selling points. Didn't even have third party apps whereas most of its contemporaries had them for ages by then.

Reminder that Steve Wozniak is the true Apple genius.

He's also the guy that carries an Android in his pocket for all his fun stuff!
They both are. Woz wanted to create hobbyist boards without even casing. Jobs was the one that pushed for commercial use. Separately they probably wouldn’t have had anywhere near the impact as they did together. At best Woz would be Linus Torvalds.

Rich coming from a person who implied Apple innovated, when all they really did was be the first ones to assemble a consumer product out of already invented tech.

I thought I was in "!android" not "!IHateApple".

Whatever you think of Steve Jobs, Android is better off for having competition

Literally true

What did Android steal from Apple? Headphone jacks?

No idea, iPhone fanatics act like smartphones and apps didn't exist before the iPhone... I mean maybe the idea of central app store that forbids installation of applications from other sources?
- I mean maybe the idea of central app store that forbids installation of applications from other sources?
  
  You mean like a Linux repository that existed before Apple "invented" the concept and renamed it an app store?
- Didn't we all end up just stealing a lot of todays shit from Xerox PARC anyway?
  
  Fuck the slide to unlock discussion, let's talk about representing hierarchies of files in a file system as folders in a graphical environment and why the thing that shows our position on a screen is a slanted arrow.
- I certainly don't take their side... but smartphones DIDN'T exist before the iPhone. Which phone would you say that was? BlackBerry?
  Most people think of smartphones as a big touchscreen, and the iPhone was first, being released on June 29 2007, whereas the first Android phone was released over a year later in September 2008.
Apparently the whole concept of a touchscreen only device, including the UI, according to Apple at the time.
- Like the computers in Star Trek TNG?
- The iPhone was a novel concept as a whole. I think that’s undeniable. There was nothing like it at the time.
  
  edit: found the iPhone haters and their revisionist history. The iPhone changed everything. When it was announced, nothing like it existed. Before the iPhone, google was working on a blackberry clone, for instance.

In the end Samsung would owe Apple around $500 million in US courts and Apple lost (a value I'm not even going to sit here and add up) in international courts.

The whole US snafu was largely seen around the world as American protectionism. As for Apple and Google, Apple saw their case wasn't as slam dunk internationally and decided to settle with Google in 2014.

Really though, once Steve Jobs died, the momentum for litigation dropped precipitously. Only Jobs was willing to go thermonuclear.

The Samsung lawsuits were kinda different. Samsung has a long history of flat out copying competitors. There are ample examples of icons being taken and reused, and all of their previous phones were clones of blackberry and windows phone. Once they stopped doing that they actually started finding their own UI language and make great products.

Great artists steal.. and can get away with it. If you can't get away with it, your not a great artist.

He forgot to finish the sentence.

Good thing he died.

I was kind of hoping that these kinds of posts would stay at reddit where they belong.

Awesome, with low post counts and users on Lemmy, and an upvote system that mimics Reddits - your shit out of luck with whatever agenda for keeping lemmy "small" or however you pictured it in your mind.

The upvotes have spoken and the community wants to see this type of information.
We can discuss in the feedback thread since I feel this is getting close to breaking Rule 6.

I don't think this post needs mod action, you are all grown-ups (or should at least, act like grown-ups here), but I would still like to encourage less low effort posts in the future.
- Is it low effort though? There's an entire generation that wasn't around for the introduction of the iPhone and may have no idea this quote even existed.
  
  Android currently has an image problem with this generation. To say the two are not related and chalking it up to "low effort" is, in itself, low effort.

That top quote doesn’t mean what you think it means.

The bottom lacks vital context. Eric Schmidt, former CEO of Google was on the Apple board during the development of the iPhone and iPad and was privy to insider information all awhile pivoting Android from a blackberry rip off to exactly what Apple was doing. It’s similar to the Xerox thing back in the 80s where people think Jobs is being a hypocrite about ripping off their GUI when Bill Gates did it too. Apple paid Xerox in stock to see it, Microsoft just took it. Not illegal, but Jobs was pissed.

Yeah Steve, you really showed us Windows and Android users. Fuckin' nerd.