Is This A Game?

So... SCOTUS decides in Trump's favor, Biden has him assassinated, Biden wins election.
Trump is arguing that this will be OK, right? Right?
- I wish someone would confront Trump about that during an interview. “So, do you have an armed guard, because you’re saying Biden can legally kill you?”
  
  And then far right media would parrot for weeks that Biden actually wants to kill Trump. If they did what they did for a “stolen election” imagine what they would do if they had “reason” to suspect that Trump could be assassinated at Bidens wish
  
  I'd be pretty surprised if there were a private security option capable of holding off the military, if the president really wanted someone dead and had the legal go-ahead.
  I'd be really surprised if Trump could afford them.
  
  Lol if this were legal, there isn't an armed guard, or even military on the planet that could save you from a us president with a gbu_28 on deck
- This is why they are delaying it until after the election. If Biden wins, they continue to stretch out the trial until Trump dies because of his old age and bad health, then go, "Well the defendant is dead so no reason to rule on this", leaving it open until they get another chance
  If Trump wins, then they rule in Trump's favour with the trial suddenly going at breakneck speed
  
  No, they'll decide the bullshit immunity in June. But the delay is correct. By putting off deciding, they've delayed the actual trial until after the election. Fucking illegitimate Supreme Court. They didn't waste time saying Colorado couldn't leave him off the ballot, even going out of their way to not address the 14th Amendment disqualification.
- Well Trump will obviously wait until he's installed himself as a dictator in perpetuity before making this ok
- SCOTUS would just argue it isn’t an official act if Biden does it.
  
  If they decide that Presidents have total immunity, Biden better disappear a bunch of the SCOTUS, as well as a bunch of the insurrectionist Republicans. I don't want to have an authoritarian in charge, but if I had to choose between Biden or trump, the choice is pretty easy.
- Technically Biden would have to shoot the man himself, anyone he could order to do it either cannot legally and would basically just be eating the legal bullet for him even though he's not in danger of it, or they have a legal duty to refuse the order.
  
  It legitimately would not surprise me in 2024, if Biden just straight up shot trump during a debate.
  We'd all be line "what!" Then go back to paying bills
  
  So you're saying we can have some kind of tournament for the presidency?

The Democratic Party is the exact kind of stupid to have it ruled that a President can assassinate political rivals, refuse to use the power, lose the election, and then act surprised when they all get executed.
- The problem is the SCOTUS said "maybe, see what the lower courts say" which is the only winning move for fascists on the question of presidential immunity. We all know what they really want to say is "Trump is immune, Biden is not" and kicking the can down the road until after the election accomplishes that, if Trump wins.
  
  Yes. They'll know what the "Constitutional Originalism" says about this one sometime in November.
- This is exactly what will happen. If there is a ruling that the president can do whatever the fuck, this democracy is done. You'd hope to see Biden go down with the ship shooting from the bow. Unfortunately he wouldn't. Dems will be trying to handshake across the aisle until they are executed the afternoon of Jan. 20th.
- "I'd never murder. I value democracy. I will do what I can to help the people and preserve the government. Oh wait sorry, murder is politically convenient? It'd be stupid not to!"

God I wish they would just be more blunt:
“So according to you, Biden can kill you? If you say yes then hitmen will be on their way”
I’m sure I’ll backfire but god damn it’s annoying when they try to be civil against bad faith actors.
- That's how fascists play the game, they act ridiculous because the other guy cares too much about decorum and being polite to question the absurdity, so they just go along with it.
  
  Exactly. Us lefties gotta take note but so it better lol
  
  It's up to us to be better than them. It's never been easy, it will be frustrating, but it's the only way to keep some decency in society.

Does Trump realize that if he "wins" that particular argument, that would empower Biden to have Trump killed without consequence? Or the supreme court justices he rammed into the court? Or his voters?
Oh wait... republicans are utterly incapable of forseeing potential consequences of what they want nm.
- Does Trump realize that if he “wins” that particular argument, that would empower Biden to have Trump killed without consequence?
  As of today, Trump has been held in contempt of court 10 times, with the judge explicitly stating "The last thing I want to do is put you in jail".
  This is a guy who has been so utterly swaddled from consequences that I genuinely do not believe he feels threatened by the prospect of extra-judicial assassination by a political rival. Liberals are Woke and Soy. They don't have the cajones to pull the trigger. And I've seen little to suggest he's wrong in this belief. The police are far more willing to crack the heads of Columbia liberal arts students than MAGA Chuds. And the courts have been incredibly lenient towards J6ers, particularly those with the money and influence to plead favorable terms in court.
  Meanwhile, Epic MAGA Dudes run rampant through JSOC, the FBI, and the Secret Service. If anything, this is a threat against Biden. Combined with the claim that he's the legitimate president and was robbed of his second term, this line of reasoning is intended to carve a legal path for a coup from friends in the military and police.
  
  Part of the reason that courts are so lenient with him is to avoid that, once he is judged, that there is any space for anyone to claim a mistrial or that he was mis treated. It's unfortunate z but that's the way the justice system works, and trump abuses that to the max.
  That is why the judge explicitly says "I don't want to jail you" just so that it's said that he can, but won't. Yet. Now that trump has been ordered to pay, it's only a few thousand dollars, but again, that's the law. Judges can't just change that on their own whims.
  So next up, if Trump blabs again, which he will, he will go to jail. I read something about the secret service already trying to figure out how to protect trump in jail, because that's their responsibility, wherever the idiot is, so let's just say that the next step may blvery we'll be quite funny.
  Having said that: I am happy they are taking their time and are being very careful, last thing you want is an exonorated trump because of some procedural error or because trump indeed was not tried fairly.
- That is why they are trying to push the decision until after the election. If Trump wins, the president has full immunity to do whatever he wants. If Biden wins they'll likely say the president can be held accountable for their actions as president.
  
  This is correct. Constitutional Originalism somehow means that what the Constitution has always said depends on who is elected in 2024.
- Nah, they get that. They also get that most Democrats aren't outright evil or of the "god made me do it" type, as they are.
- Repubs are incapable of seeing consequences, but in this particular case they know that Biden won't do it and they are correct.
- Do you really think Joe Biden would order Trump killed
  
  Lol...Dems would meet the bullet halfway... And anyone who wasn't willing to make that compromise would be a radical progressive
  
  I dream of a murder-suicide at a debate.
  Suicide vest.
  Joe's last wotds: "For all of you that said Biden blows, ain't seen nothing yet."
  KABOOM
  
  No but it does force republicans to contort themselves into a pretzel to defend that decision given their rhetoric about democrats.
  More likely theyll just point to it as a reason to never cede power because they're unrepentant ghouls.
  
  Has anyone suggested contracting it to Boeing?

The claim is also in perpetuity of the title, not just while holding office.
If this passes, Obama needs to walk right up to Trump, and slap him like a bitch.

Would love to hear the followup question, "If the president decides a supreme court justice is a corrupt person..."
- That was entirely my point I made a couple weeks ago. If they move ahead on that decision, then Biden would be within his rights to have the consenting judges hung and replace them, hanging any members of congress or senators that tried to block the appointments. Then he could ask that court to reconsider the decision, and he would have been immune for these actions that occurred during the hiatus of accountability.
  Seems like a fairly straightforward solution.
  
  There is no stopping the justices from putting big caveats around their ruling.
  It could be "in this very specific case with this very specific person at this very specific time we agree that the president is immune from prosecution. Any other acts by this or any other president are not included in this ruling."

What would be wild is if the "legal" justification they landed on was that the president specifically is immune but not the people under him. So you'd just have to hand Biden or Trump a handgun and watch them march up to someone and kill them because no police or military has the authority to stop the president
Obviously I don't want to live in that world but at least then we're living in a crazy movie dystopia which might at least be more fun to watch
- Let's let Joe have it. He's old, he deserves it. How many fatalities can he even get before the long night takes him? 3? 4?
  Come on, Joe, invite Tucker and Alex Jones to dinner.
- Biden/Trump/Whoever is president could simply officially order one of his top officers to push a button that drops a hellfire missile on their political opponent and then pardon them. The President is the commander-in-chief of the armed forces and also has the executive privilege of pardon available to them at their discretion for any reason or no reason at all. I'm 100% sure the president will find somebody in the chain of command with morals flexible enough to obey such an order.
  And since you can't go after the man himself because a corrupt SCOTUS is apparently poised to rule that they have immunity for "official acts" which is a nebulously defined term that can apply to literally any heinous act that they want, the country has essentially created a king by proxy.
- And wouldn't anyone in the line of succession to the presidency just be able to kill all those in front of them to take the ~~throne~~ seat of president, thus becoming immune from the act of killing their predessesors?

Been time to kick those justices out and put some fresh ones in
- Execute the ones that vote yes.
  
  Too effective of a strategy for a Dem to pursue.
  
  Totes legal, I guess 🤷
- No need to kick them out.
  They were being traitors to the country. Just "remove" them.
  
  You mean banish them to another realm?

Man at did point we really are gonna find out some art teacher shamed Trump's interest in painting.
- "You used far too much orange!", the teacher said. And the rest is history...
- Its not an art teacher, it's his dad who hated him and loved Fred until Fred fucked up in business (being compassionate) at which point his dad basically disowned his brother and took Donald as his heir. His brother later drank himself to death because of the way his dad treated him and is the reason Donald doesn't drink.
  
  This is real, we're dealing with a wannabe dictator with daddy issues and he has millions of followers.
- There is also that parallel fascination with stimulants.

If the president can order a drone strike from across the world, why can't it be against his political opponents at home.
- Oh yeah... The US has sanctioned extrajudicial assassination under Mr. "Yes We Can" Barak Obama. We're far on the wrong side of that slope.
  
  There was the choice of drone operations being completed on a local level, or to push the authority to authorise them up the chain.
  Obama took personal responsibility for this new tool instead of letting the military use it in whatever way.
  
  Assassination is when members of a militant organization we're in armed conflict with are killed, I guess.
- Optics.
  
  Okay, but - hypothetically - lets assume we have a large base of supporters who take indescribable glee in watching police crack the skulls of college students and pink-hatted feminists. Lets assume we have governors and mayors who surround themselves with paramilitary groups, while threatening to lock up anyone who voices dissent. And all these politicians win in landslide elections in their home states, because the shrinking pool of eligible voters is comprised more and more of these fanatics.
  What then?

That might be true, but the gays are turning the frogs gay! Enough is enough! Maga 2024 /s

So he's saying Biden is legally within his rights to assassinate Trump?

remember kids, both sides are the same.
- Nice flair
  /s

We get the president from "Escape from L A"
- He also might be The Thing. That's just what I'm hearing, lots of people are saying it.

The most dangerous game
- The hunting of Man happens with Trump's homeless policy.

Anybody have a source on the quote so I can read more about it? (sorry I'm lazy 🥺)
- I listened to it here: https://www.youtube.com/live/VdDNCDFpBtA
  From about 6:47
  
  Perfect, thanks!!

Ya, so its super important that Biden doesnt COMPLETELY shit the bed and disenfranchise the sweeping majority of American liberals. Right?
- I think all the smart liberals and leftists have realized an immunity ruling would be used against them.
  
  Yeah, but we're talking about the Democratic leadership.

SCOTUS justices apparently think it's a game considering they even consented to take this case.
- SCOTUS justices think the Constitution is a joke.

it is for them

I'd hold my nose and vote for biden if he took the initiative and drone-struck trump. Do it at a rally so I can laugh about it on YouTube later. That'll be worth another 4 years of nothing getting done.

You mean like Soleimani? Or is this only scary when killing burguerlanders?
- There's a pretty big difference between an act of war against a state eager to call themselves your enemies and the execution of internal dissidents.
  
  Not at war with Iran or Libya genius.
- burguerlanders? lol

- "Congress members should be allowed to single handedly overrule a court of law while the trial is in process, based on their personal opinion. I am very smart."
- Lol nice bait 👍👌💯

Obama and Trump literally ordered hits on (foreign) political rivals so I don't get the pearl.clutching at a lawyer answering like a lawyer on the topic