Speaking from general life experience, a lot of those fans are potential victims of the same treatment themselves minors/women

So if you have a child or friend that speaks like that, it is a red flag to pay closer attention to the people they build relationships with and their behavior. I'm not talking about protecting kids from drugs and sex, I mean protect them predators and abuse.

I mean, if none of the 35 allegations actually go anywhere, I'm not going to assume they actually did something either. Seems sus on all accounts.

When I found out about the guy from Crystal Castles 10 years after the fact... Yea major bummer. Sucks he's a POS and the things he's done, and the cherry on top is now I can't enjoy their music again.

Rammstein isn't metal it's NDH. The Genre does have metal influence but you could just as well call it Industrial Punk (in particular in regards to Rammstein). There's plenty of groove metal in there if you know what to listen for but this doesn't sound anywhere close to Pantera.

And if Rammstein being a bunch of Punks with way too much artistic concept wasn't enough you have to literally ignore their Discography to think they're right-wing.

That’s the band.

Funny enough they still play those same anti-war songs off the early albums. Play what pays so they can ride around in their private jets.

Edit:

I did some digging. AJFA - One to most anyone objectively is about the horrors of war. The music video opens with the sounds and images of war. Lyrics say the war is done with the speaker in the story. It’s zero distance to understand that the person in the video suffered their wounds as a result of that war. The lyrics literally say a Landmine caused the wounds.

However, Hetfield walked back that imagery and the lyrics to mean:

In a Howard Stern Interview, James states that the song isn't inherently anti-war, but the lyrics were rather about the feeling of being trapped in your own body and feeling like you're unable to interact with the world around you and express yourself and speak your mind and feelings.

So it’s not an apology, he’s retconning the song to this instead of what pretty much everyone legitimately understood it to be about.

Also, regarding Don’t Tread On Me, what people associated with the Gadsden Flag:

Hetfield said the song was a reaction to the anti-American tone of their album ...And Justice for All - "This is the other side of that. America is a fucking good place. I definitely think that. And that feeling came about from touring a lot. You find out what you like about certain places and you find out why you live in America, even with all the bad fucked-up shit. It's still the most happening place to hang out."

Hetfield also said "Don't Tread On Me, I love the song, but it shocked a lot of people, because everyone thought it was pro-war when they thought we were anti-war, and alls we're doing is writing songs, we're not standing politically on any side. "Don't Tread On Me" was just one of those 'don't fuck with us' songs, and obviously referencing the flag and the snake and what it meant, that all tied into the black album and the snake icon on the album cover, and I think it's great to play that song live. We're over here in Europe playing it, and people aren't appalled by the songs. We haven't played it in Iraq or Iran yet, though."

It sounds a lot to me like Hetfield is softballing pandering to right wing fans he doesn’t want to offend and/or personal beliefs that lean Right. He completely disregards the obvious anti-war sentiment in AJFA with “Oh, you all thought we were anti-war? We’re not pro-war, we’re pro-America.” If that isn’t some Chauvanistic Nationalism I don’t know what is.

Anyway, I don’t know one way or the other, but considering the crowd’s fashion choices at the event and his unwillingness to just say “war is bullshit”, which you can do apolitically, I figure Metallica, or at least Hetfield, support right wing ideologies.

E2: another interview where Hetfield says why he left the Bay Area:

*There was an elitist attitude there that if you weren’t their way politically, their way environmentally, all of that, that you were looked down upon. *

So by inference and the preponderance of evidence, he’s probably right wing.

You know you're in a room full of true metal heads when everyone has distinctly point to when metallica started to suck, especially if they all point to different albums.

Right? Of all people our veterinarian wears a Mjölnir necklace…I had to do a triple take to make sure he wasn’t a supremacist asshole, but no, he’s a legit Norwegian who likes Nordic style in general. He wears a Dragestil belt with silver inlay, some tattoos too. Cool guy. Sad that my first thought was wondering if he was a nazi supremacist because the symbols have been usurped and corrupted.

Yeah there are people who think (sterotypical) Vikings are their true "white" heritage and end up harassing anyone they don't like out of fanbases for viking-related bands. Heilung, for example, had to publicly state that those kind of people are not welcome after some of them were harrassing a woman for having the "wrong" skin color to be able to participate at one of their shows. These guys haven't yet figured out that their bigotry is the exact opposite beliefs of the vast majority of the pagan/viking/etc communities.

I can only offer what I experienced at the show I attended. Metallica was touring with Five Finger Death Punch, a very much right-wing "military rock" band that just sucks IMO. They straight up dog whistled the right wingers in the crowd using a lot of "there's something wrong in this country" type of commentary. Metallica bringing them on tour doesn't really change my growing opinion that Metallica supports right wing ideology. My understanding of the greater Metal crowd is that they are indeed good people, I went to an Industrial Metal concert a few weeks back and it was free of the iconography I saw at the Metallica show, and everyone was great. We had a good time. It was also the loudest show I think I've ever been to. Thank goodness for earplugs, lol.

Some Punk went mainstream, but even then I think Punk still holds on to that anti-authority ideology better. Greenday's recent commentary on the Right Wing stirred things up a bit.

It makes sense that those types would join the punk /metal scene. It's a scene made up of those on the fringes of society who are rebelling against authority (regardless of what that authority may be) and who are willing to accept anyone like them.

I've met plenty of LGBT, geeks, on the spectrum and otherwise different folk who are part of the punk and metal scenes.

Yeah. To a lot of young, vulnerable people who are less minoritized, progressives feel like the authority. You're told you're privileged, but you don't feel it. This is partially because we take our personal experiences for granted, but also because even the relatively privileged struggle. Some people suffer more from the system than others, but a ton of things suck for everyone.

Unfortunately, the promises of the right are a monkey's paw at best, or a scam at worst. Even if the right succeeds, they usually make things worse for everyone in the process, even themselves.

My entire understanding of skinheads was "skinheads are fascists" and I never delved any deeper into it. Until the other month when my barber told me I should consider getting a chelsea cut, my gut reaction being "why would I want to look like a neonazi?"

But one simple online search later, and I went back for the shave. The original sentiment of the skinhead culture is slowly being reclaimed, though there will always be two potential interpretations of what someone with that style stands for, I'll happily rock my skinbird cut at union rallies and antifa protective counter-protests when actual nazis try to raid our local queer clubs.

Unfortunately any anti-establishment counter-culture movement that is predominantly white will attract Nazis. And these nazis sometimes don't even know they are one. You even see it in some far left movements. There are people in those movements who call themselves lefties yet have espoused right wing fascist ideology

Yeah Nazis are a problem in pretty much all subcultures

I don't know if I agree with that; well, I agree they're always a problem, but if you're a Jazz or Blues fan for example, I imagine there aren't the same issues we have in Metal.

After watching a video of a live show where Phil sang Walk with Sieg Heils injected into the lyrics, I wish I could just erase all my memories so that I could forget who he is.

says Death Metal

links Black Metal

Yeah, and the aggression in music easily syncs with literal agreccion of the third reich, so it's a low-hanging fruit if you don't have other ideas for music and songs. Lemme try:
Panzer death
Panzer death
Blood soaked brothers march
Panzer death
Panzer death
Glory to our patriarch

bonus points for samples of machinegun added to drums, lyrics in German, bandmembers photographed in pseudo-nazi uniform, etc.

Some idiots will listen that on repeat in no time

Edit: Listen to Hanzel und Gretel - SS Deathstar Supergalaktik, it covers most of the the cliches

It's also something that's more related to some genres of music than others. It's definitely a much bigger issue in metal than you would find in, say, jazz or electronica. On the other hand, it's more overt than the kind of Nazis you find in country music, and they get much more publicized.

In the US "skinhead" has a different meaning besides just being bald and aggressive. It's what neo-nazis are referred to as because they co-opted that whole punk look.

Reading Varg's insanity on Twitter is a hoot.

Varg supports 90% of that and is also varg (they are probably fine I am just doing comedy)

Who would have thought that country music, which originated in the South, would be so receptive to white nationalism??

Going back ten years to people trying to explain away Kanye's BLKKK SKKN HEAD by pointing to the brief moment of time where skinheads weren't all Nazis is pretty funny now though.

Not enough to get him into art school.

For a middleschooler? Sure. For an adult trying to pursue a career as a painter? Nah. IDK if he didn't draw guide lines with a pencil before painting or what, but that's pretty bad on an entirely technical level.

This is the one that hurts me the most. Iced Earth was one of my BIG jams during highschool. Demons and Wizards is probably why I got I to guitar. Hearing about his involvement on the 6th was rough.

I still listen to their stuff from time to time. Some of it has some actually good messages, and almost all of it is just good music. Really have to separate the art from the artist sometimes. I will never see them live, can't buy their merch, and typically find less-legitimate sources for the music, when I really want to listen, so at least I'm not supporting them.

"Rich men" was a catchy tune though. You just don't like the genre or perhaps what the lyrics say

What exactly do you mean "in good faith"?