Google workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'glassy-eyed'
Mountain View-based Google is facing complaints from current and former workers who say their bosses are "inept," "boring" and "glassy-eyed."
Who could've imagined that Google is becoming just as mediocre and boring as any other large corporation. What a surprise!
It's happening at my company right now. We just merged. I got a taste of power, performed well, then got written up for spending too much time on my power project. Now they have neutered any power I had, and I'm a glorified babysitter and messenger. The hunt now begins in earnest.
I am old enough to remember that Apple was the pirate of Silicon Valley, and then it became the most “cooperation” company in the industry. Then it’s Google then there will be a next one. It’s probably inevitable for any company to go this route.
It's a well travelled path for any company in the tech sphere. Start out as a disruptor and breath of fresh air in a stagnant industry and then slowly crank the dial toward enshittification over time hoping that the reputation you previously built will keep your customer base from jumping ship too quickly.
Unregulated capitalism ruins everything if given enough time.
They've long been quite mediocre judging by the incredible long hours of those working there and shit quality of basically any technical framework they put out.
They have shoved tons of resources into some things (such as Android) and thus at times succeeded (though usually they don't), but in terms of quality from a technical point of view (i.e. software design, technical architecture) their stuff looks like it was hammered together by a bunch of junior devs.
Lucky timing followed by some smart strategical decisions (and, seemingly, lots of money together with a throw everything at the wall and see what sticks management strategy) are what made Google, not excellence.
It's unfair to discount Google's early days. They DID have technical excellence. Search was leagues better than the competition. Gmail was an amazing leap from other providers. Android started as trash but improved rapidly. The Nexus line of phones was amazing. Google Maps was a huge improvement over what else existed. They did a lot right.
I can't pinpoint exactly when the fall started. Was it when Pichai became CEO? When they removed "don't be evil?" I remember a speech Pichai gave where he talked about "more wood behind fewer arrows" as why they were getting rid of employee child projects, so maybe it was that.
It became this in approximately 2009 - 2010, around when the founders left and the business bros took over. We've been seeing the slow decline since then, though it may be accelerating now.
When times are tough
Work environment gets rough
I guess.
"Becoming"?
"Don't be evil". Not-evil people don't need to say such things.
Also, any large organization is a shit show, regardless of what it's organized for. It's the nature of humanity.
A (former) boss used to say "if you have 3 employees you have nine problems".
“Don’t be evil”. Not-evil people don’t need to say such things.
That was a reference to Microsoft. They were on trial / convicted for abusing their monopoly in awful ways to screw over any potential competitors, and making the experience terrible for Microsoft users. As bad as Google might be today, they're nowhere near as bad as Microsoft was. And, in the early years, they were definitely the anti-Microsoft in the tech world.
The Verge reported that CEO Sundar Pichai defended the layoffs and claimed that workers sometimes reach out to express gratitude for the cuts. “And I just want to clarify that, through these changes, people feel it on the ground and sometimes people write back and say, ‘Thank you for simplifying.’ Sometimes we have a complicated, duplicative structure,” he said, per the Verge.
Chalmers: People send thank you's for lay offs?
Pichai: Yes.
Chalmers: May I see one?
Pichai: No.
I'm guessing it's not your rank-and-file type "people".
Managers from unaffected departments who are glad they have less internal competition. And that's pretty much it.
Certainly only certain people have email addresses that can even send to his inbox. Everyone else would be blocked.
"This is a conversation I could imagine happening if I spoke to my employees directly, and that's as good as an actual conversation."
Expect this from corporate and political types alike.
Yeah that whole line smells like pure bullshit. I've never seen anyone be grateful for having their coworkers laid off.
I can imagine it, but just a few really awful people. Google, like any company, will have some extreme right-wingers working for it. And, working for Google tends to go with big egos. I can imagine some dude looking at his stock options thinking "yes, all those useless people were holding down the value of my options, now that they're gone I'm going to be rich".
"a lot of people are saying" = the voices in my head are telling me
No mother it's just the simplification
[...] Sundar Pichai defended the layoffs and claimed that workers sometimes reach out to express gratitude for the cuts.
"It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week."
Those workers are kissing ass to make their careers.
Sundar is a complete idiot if he believes what those guys say. And he probably doesn't, but it sounds good to the press I guess.
Even the press isn't fooled. Sundar isn't fooled. The other employees aren't fooled. We, the outside observers, aren't fooled. You have to wonder what the point of all this was.
Managers are also 'workers' according to people like this guy, so they're the ones saying thanks (because they are kissing ass.)
Yeah, I thought his clueless reaction not only didn't dispel but just confirmed the problem.
He's in a bubble, clueless that Google is now staffed by up-managing promo-seekers and not people who care about solving problems in a "googly" way like it was 10 years ago. His toadying to Wall Street and corporate culture shift did that, and now he doesn't even notice that people are telling him what he wants to hear and complimenting his policies even when they don't work.
Google employs, what, hundreds of thosuands of people now? All of them have stock options, many are millionaires from their Google stock. They also have big egos, and are often engineers (i.e. not very empathetic).
I can imagine a few people not caring about co-workers they never met being let go, and believing management's story that they were letting go people who weren't needed and were just a drag on the company. Some, especially right-wingers, probably look at their options, see the share price going up, and are happy about the layoffs. They mistakenly believe it wouldn't happen to them because they're much more valuable, and they see themselves more as Google stockholders rather than employees.
Still, a competent CEO knows that those kinds of employees are terrible for the culture of the organization. Rather than admitting that some employees like it their fellow employees are let go, he'd be smarter to say "it's tough for us because we're a family, so nobody likes it when we have to lay people off, but sometimes business realities make it necessary."
LOL I bet he believes that.
I feel like the editor that wrote the headline missed the main point of the article. The headline makes the article sound like there are a bunch of dumb and boring middle managers at Google. The actual article has nothing to do with people's direct bosses or even their bosses' bosses. The article was about how Google execs are ruining the company to appease the shareholders. Best quote from the article is:
“We get that execs are excited about Google’s future,” another question reportedly said. “Why should we be excited, when we might get laid off and not be around to share in that future? If we lose our jobs and equity grants, it’s cold comfort that Google is succeeding off our hard work, and we don’t get rewarded for it, but you do.”
IMO one thing I think should be made into law is that if a company grants unvested equity, everything granted will automatically vest when you get laid off.
If you decide to quit before they vest, I understand that those grants should be forfeited. If you get fired for not doing your job, I also get forfeiting them.
But if the company lays you off, that's on their side, so I think the opposite (automatic vesting) should be guaranteed by law.
I had to verify the current situation in the United States is what you stated because it's intuitively so wrong. I can't believe an employer can set terms for compensation and, through no fault of the employee, legally prevent that employee from completing those terms.
Land of the free!
It's the same everywhere. Companies will kick people out when they want to. Any talk of family or loyalty is extreamly manipulative.
Can't think why just can't open contractor positions and keep things honest. "This is a year contract " great, pick if that's your path and move on when it's over.
Layoffs will continue until morale improves.
This has been a huge problem for Google for several years now. Under Sundar, Google implemented several regressive "un-Google" policies like Unregretted Attrition (URA) to reduce worker numbers, shifting responsibility to managers and senior leadership to determine technical vision, and promoting people who are solely focused on "empire building" over delivering the best products. The result is a management-heavy structure where policies like "put AI in everything" and "display more ads" are likely to be a business driver over making the best products.
This is why companies should be run by their workers. Even places that start out with a good culture get taken over by the business school blob whose only job is to get promoted and loot the company.
There are some folks that know both how to run a business well and are passionate about the technology, but they are rare unfortunately. More common in smaller organizations at least.
They’re common in small orgs. Once you go public and the only thing that matters is the quarterly bottom line, you almost have no choice but to replace them with people whose only though is “make number go up”
From the article:
“And I just want to clarify that, through these changes, people feel it on the ground and sometimes people write back and say, ‘Thank you for simplifying.’ Sometimes we have a complicated, duplicative structure”
Employees think leadership is out of touch. This statement from the CEO proves this problem exists and starts at the top.
Glassy eyed: drunk and/or high as fuck.
The Tesla board is definitely glassy eyed.
I read that as DEI hires
Say you're racist without saying your racist speedrun
Racist, misogynist, xenophobic, bigoted, made-up story about a company hiring women+minorities into dedicated departments which then don't do any work
They must have a lot of departments full of white, straight men to compensate, otherwise the company would surely go under. /s
edit: before anyone thinks I actually meant this seriously...I was reacting to a ridiculously bigoted comment by some troll (I know...I shouldn't have reacted) claiming their company had entire departments full of women+minorities not doing any work. The comment no longer exists of course. I
My company had a big diversity push, but it worked well for us, and ended up making it a much more pleasant to work.
Are you sure those are DEI hires, or just the kind of people your co-workers want to be around?
Quick! Somebody order more pizza and ping pong tables...
Sounds like they're still wearing Google Glass.
This is what happens when entitled business bros take over. The sort of person who is uninterested in tech but is interested in quarterly bonuses will be inept and glassy eyed.
Only Google? Management is forged on that mostly
Fuck Scott Adams.
Scott Adams is a complete piece of shit
I didn't know what this was about. I found this that can serve as context for others unaware: https://www.npr.org/2023/02/26/1159580425/newspapers-have-dropped-the-dilbert-comic-strip-after-a-racist-rant-by-its-creat
[...] Adams urged white people "to get the hell away from Black people" during a racist rant on his online video program last week, during which he labeled Black people a "hate group."
On his video show last week, the 65 year old said he had been identifying as Black "because I like to be on the winning team," and that he used to help the Black community. Adams said the results of the Rasmussen poll changed his mind.
"It turns out that nearly half of that team doesn't think I'm okay to be white," he said, adding that he would re-identify as white. "I'm going to back off from being helpful to Black America because it doesn't seem like it pays off," he said. "I get called a racist. That's the only outcome. It makes no sense to help Black Americans if you're white. It's over. Don't even think it's worth trying."
This is not the first time Adams' strip has been dropped. Last year, The San Francisco Chronicle and 76 other newspapers published by Lee Enterprises reportedly dropped Dilbert after Adams introduced his first Black character. Quinn noted that the move was "apparently to poke fun at 'woke' culture and the LGBTQ community."
I wish I could be an inept and glassy-eyed boss.
Haha yeah some days it sounds pretty good. :)
To be fair most of them are likely wearing glasses. 😏