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  • Yeah. It's sedition. The feds should have everyone involved, at minimum, gitmo'd, if not hung. It's a big deal. This is balkanization/civil war stuff. The feds have total, unambiguous authority over the border and the states have zero, zip, nada.

    • It's wild they haven't moved to shooting yet. BLM faced more persecution blocking a road to ask for police reform. These hogs are doing such a fundamentally illegal thing that a whole civil war was fought to decide the very issue of state authority and Biden doesn't know whether to kiss them on the lips or give them all of their demands. The democrats could have had a huge groundswell of support for any action they take like they did with January 6th, but they've spent the last three years trying to prove to republicans that their border policy is just as fascistic. All of the orgs dedicated to that issue are now vote machines for the democrats or are opposed to them.

      If the feds do something like Waco or Ruby Ridge they don't have my support. If they do that level of violence here, that's the clearest case for its justified use to the broadest number of people. I'd clap like I did on January 6th whenever anyone on either side got what they both deserve.

      • It goes back at least as far as O'Bummer, too. His border policy was "I am going to do everything the fascists demand because then they will like me and invite me to their tea parties." Sucks. the democrats never had a solution to the GOP. idk. Bunch of wack ass fucking model UN losers. You can't fight fascism with a more borng, pedantic, multicultural fascism, it turns out.

      • BLM faced more persecution blocking a road to ask for police reform.

        That's because it was leftist. The Texan hogs just want to do a particular fascist thing slightly differently than the way the federal government wants it done.

    • if not hung

      hanged

    • I agree, except i think it will probably blow over without any direct consequences for now (they'll come down the line). The reason i think this is because while it is sedition - the states/governors are only engaged for the spectacle of it as a grandstand to the hogs. They aren't politically engaged in pushing for actual secession or balkanize, because that isn't their goal. And i don't think the Biden Admin is going to do much but fundraise off this and call it a win/win for politicians in both parties.

  • No it hasn't happened in our lifetimes. This should be massive. It is a constitutional crisis, technically. But none of the parties are engaging in this for those reasons. It is 100 percent pandering and grandstanding, and is only about bullshit electoral agendas. So it probably won't actually be anything, even though it is technically massive lol

    Edit: the only important impact could be later on down the line. Like every escalation of cynical Republican pandering to their genuine fascist base. Eventually the hogs won't be happy until they order tge national guard to open fire on feds. Which will be mostly hilarious when it first happens. Itll be another Jan 6 kind of thing where its technically treason, but no one involved understands what they are actually doing or than it is treason or what comes next. They're just in it for the spectacle with no actual politics or understanding of the implications of the thing they're howling for

  • This has the potential to be the tankie Biden moment, but he's only militant about doing violence to foreigners.

  • Probably it'll blow over in a couple of weeks. The feds next step for things like this is usually to find something they fund and pull funding...probably in this case they could just pull any border funding they give to Texas, and that would be enough for Texas to say "fuck it, we can't buy more razor wire without the funds" and give it up. That's almost always how these things end up.

    If not, next step would be to use force, which at worst would result in a minor skirmish at one or two spots between the local forces and the feds. The local forces would lose that fight pretty much immediately. I would guess most of them are all talk and as soon as the feds roll up with tanks and start shooting, they'll give up because they'd rather not die for some stupid border skirmish. The feds may not even have to shoot, what tools do the local forces have to stop an APC from just running over the razor wire? The die hards might stick around and they would die, hard. Perhaps there will be some token fall guy somewhere that spends a long time in jail afterwards, we don't know about him yet because he's not going to be anyone relevant. Nobody that matters will be punished for this in any capacity, just a few local goons will die and some middle manager soldier type will be made an example of.

    Either way it ends with Texas and their allied states using this as yet another campaign talking point to show how the fed is doing le government overreach, push their agenda as usual, and the racists will eat it the fuck up forever. There's no way in hell this is anything more than a political stunt, even if it gets a few folks at the border shot by the feds. A small price to pay for the GOP to push their agenda. Sure, their stunts are getting flashier and flashier because they need to, but the GOP doesn't want to balkanize so there's no way it'll go that far.

    • Either way it ends with Texas and their allied states using this as yet another campaign talking point to show how the fed is doing le government overreach

      Exactly. That's the whole point of doing this for them, and the entire reason its happening in an election year.

      It is just a stunt. Its a stunt that has some really high stakes implications that should matter in a functioning society - but we don't live in one if those. We live in one where you can throw a political stunt thats equivalent to sedition and its no big deal because no one wants to deal with that, just enjoy the spectacle

    • You still feel that way knowing that now it's not 6 states supporting it it's 25?

      • I do, yes. Republicans aren't going to go to start a countrywide civil war over some razor wire on the border. That's the only other way this ends, either the funding cuts and a few local force deaths stop this, or it's literally civil war. I guess the secret 3rd option is that Biden just does nothing and Texas keeps doing what they're doing. That's also pretty likely. Either way 2 of those 3 options are basically systemically nothings, and a civil war is highly highly highly unlikely.

  • please can something funny happen, my life is so boring, i'm not asking for much, i want to see abbott taken to a government black site and returned with an obvious flesh tone antenna sticking out of his head, something of that nature

  • Seems like the US version of brexit in the making: Some right-wing politicians are grandstanding to their base, the neolibs and the cons don't expect it to escalate further, but their rabid supporters want it to, so it will, completely surprising all at the head of this movement.
    Or maybe they manage to roll a

    once more, and this whole crisis is delayed a bit further again

  • Not by itself enough to cause balkanization or civil war, but still represents growing divisions in the US-American bourgeoisie which could lead to those events in the near future.

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