Nikki Haley Marks “Roe’s” 51st Anniversary by Saying She’d Sign Nationwide Abortion Ban
Nikki Haley Marks “Roe’s” 51st Anniversary by Saying She’d Sign Nationwide Abortion Ban
Stockholm Syndrome is the only explanation for women continuing to support Republicans
There were anti suffrage women's groups.
There were pro-Nazi Jewish people in Germany until they came for them too.
There's always some people within a population who just choose to side with power, even power that loathes them, in hopes they'll become a favorite pet.
The log cabin Republicans come to mind.
Famously, Mother Jones didn't believe in women's suffrage. She believed it was a distraction from class warfare.
I tend to align more with Simone de Beauvoir who saw women as a disadvantaged class as well. I think it's a helpful lens for how we consider gender dynamics and patriarchal structures.
The pro Nazi Jews are actually kinda funny in a horrifically dark way
They even had a chant! "Down with us! Down with us!"
No it's not.
They genuinely believe that only bad people need abortions.
Only bad people get raped?
Um, what about the belief that an unborn fetus has a soul? That's a belief that tens of millions of American women sincerely hold...
That belief is unsupported by scripture, but even if it was, religious beliefs should not be the basis for federal law.
If you believe an unborn fetus has a soul, don't have an abortion.
Wrongly, because the Bible not only doesn't condemn it but actually gives instructions on how to perform one. (Numbers 5:11-31)
Also, souls haven't been proven to exist, so it's kind of moot.
They are welcome to hold any religious beliefs they want, but they have no right to force others to adhere to that belief.
Even allowing for the unproven assertion that souls exist, at no point does that soul obligate giving up bodily autonomy.
You can't use organs from corpses without permission, you can't force a drunk driver to provide an organ to a kid they ran over, you can't force a parent to donate an organ to their own child. All of these things would save "souls" but is hardly part of pro-forced birth platforms.
And if fetuses have souls, that would surely make the Christian god the true murderer as 10 to 20% of all pregnancies end in miscarriages, but the Christian god is held to a lower moral standard than human beings by pro-forced birthers. And the governments that reject welfare programs are also held to lower moral standard for some reason, as well.
It's stupid and completely unfounded in any medical science regarding when the Fetus is actually a living human being.
Show me a woman who claims she genuinely would see a fetus in a jar and an infant newborn as equally worth saving in a crisis and I will show you a woman who swears she'd have totally been a punk rock abolitionist if she was around in the South in the antebellum years.
Also it literally isn't sincere belief, the Bible has exactly one thing to say about abortion, and that's how to perform one via medicine.
God gaveth unto the Jews, the pill.
It's a belief they have only because they were told to believe it. I can't respect that.
People like to forget that we live in a country with a huge deeply religious population, and that women are more likely to be anti abortion than men are.
"Mrs. Haley, have you ever had an abortion? You have a daughter. Has she ever had an abortion?" -- The press, if they had any balls.
She would say no regardless of the truth. Asking questions like that without knowing the answer and being able to prove it is basically just tossing a softball.
Seriously. The way they treat all the candidates with kid gloves is ridiculous.
She could say, "Yes I have had many abortions. I'm having one tomorrow! Abortions should be illegal because it's the only way to stop me from constantly having abortions!"
Hypocrisy doesn't matter to them.
"I am going to step on this rake again and again, harder and harder, until the rake no longer slaps me in the face when I step on it."
Sideshow Bob, surrounded by abortion rakes.
I mean, she is kind of a sideshow in the Trump Circus
If she weren't a degenerate buffoon, she wouldn't be campaigning as a Republican.
Anyone who still identifies themselves with the (R) in this day and age can be written off as an idiot and bigot..
She can put coherent sentences together, and I would love to elect a woman, but we are even more misogynistic than racist. Also, I'm waaaay far to the left of democrats, so nope.
What else can they do? They have to win the primary before they can compete in the general election.
The anti-abortion sentiment is very tightly bound up in the white nationalist / supremacist narrative. A lot of the same folks who say they want to ban women from having abortions are the same ones who endorse sterilizations, harden their hearts toward public healthcare for minorities, and scream all the live-long-day about Anchor Babies.
The theory of the anti-abortion activist is always that the wrong fetuses are getting terminated. This ties back to old blood libels against Jews, Satanic Panics, and other conspiracy theories that orbit the "Great Replacement" Theory of lower-than-average white replacement level procreation.
And in the last decade, as domestic maternity rates have fallen and hysteria around Arabs, Latinos, Africans, and the Dreaded China Menace has peaked, we're seen a lot more Scientific Racism that gears itself around the need for a revitalization of the White Race as a prelude to some kind of future apocalyptic global struggle for power.
*anti-abortion
But also those same people would like orphans to be raised by private Christian organizations (and limit adoption to Christian nuclear families), so I would say they would also like those children to be raised Christian to reinforce their religious theocracy
Also, desperate, neglected, unwanted children have less of a chance of going to college and pursuing "better" career opportunities later in life. Theres just too much stress associated with the simple act of living. They'll always have to rely on the state for assistance, which means they'll always be driven to work the jobs no one wants for a pittance, just to be able to survive.
Make no mistake, the anti abortion politicians aren't doing this out of any "respect for life" or whatever, they just want to keep the working class populated, so they can keep making money off the backs of an uneducated, exploited population.
I'm pretty sure that is one of the biggest reasons for Republicans to be anti abortion.
Obligatory sharing. If you have not read this essay, please take a moment.
https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/
The only difference between Haley and trump is that I am slightly more confident that Haley will leave the office when her term ends. Beyond that, same shit.
If she ends up being the first woman ever to be president my head is going to explode.
I do not think she can put populist trump.
Well, Trump is past the average life expectancy for this country. His particular situation probably puts him in a shorter lived cohort than average too.
So he might die before the convention, and she would be the Republican candidate.
Since people are gloom and dooming all over the place about economy and inflation, situation favors the challenger.
So she's got a real chance at becoming the next president, if Trump dies in the next couple of months. Looking at actuary table, seems to be in the ballpark of 3-4% chance...
No shot. The only state she stood to beat Trump in was NH. He'll be the nominee.
What a cunt.
What is mind boggling is that either her or Trump will be the next candidate and it still isn't a sure win for the democrats.
But, tbh, looking at politics in the EU nowadays and I feel ashamed of making fun of the USA in the past. We are outfascisting you again, it seems.
Bitch.
I think Republicans are afraid of abortion because deep down they know that the only reason they're here is because abortion wasn't easily available. Gotta keep the garbage coming.
deep down they know that the only reason they’re here is because abortion wasn’t easily available. Gotta keep the garbage coming.
This kind of rhetoric doesn't help resolve anything.
I wouldn't say it's against a rule, but kinda messed up to imply someone was basically garbage since birth.
I wouldn’t say it’s against a rule
Seems like a razor's edge that they're walking on.
the only reason they’re here is because abortion wasn’t easily available
Meh. I think a lot more of it is Republicans seeing their children failing to have a sprawling brood of children to perpetuate the Family Line and falling back on this being some kind of conspiracy against white people.
These are people who get exposed to Reality TV families with twelve kids and yearn for the kind of extended families that they shamed their own kids out of when they freaked out about teen pregnancy during the 90s/00s.
I mean, most of the upper level Republicans come from wealthy families that would've had access to abortion regardless.
You're saying kids born because abortion wasn't available are pieces of garbage. What the fuck. think about what you said.
Since I was down voted into oblivion. I'll reconsider your statement.
Deep down Republicans believe that the only reason they're here is that they weren't aborted.
So I guess that's similar to conservatives thinking that the only way people can act morally is because they read it in a thousand year old book.
I guess the logic checks out but all I could think about with a gut check was that kids who's parents wanted to abort them but couldn't probably ended up in a hostile environment.
Psycho shithead.
Because that's proven to be such a winning topic.
Wait. She's a woman, right?
With Republican bills going the way they are, we might see her publicly inspected to confirm it.
In the same pathetic kind of way Trump is man I guess, yes.
Republicans are fascists first, anything else second.
And if she's never gotten an abortion I guarantee she would if the pregnancy were inconvenient. The rules are never for them, silly!
Small comfort... After she gets smoked in NH tomorrow, we'll never have to care about anything Nikki Haley thinks or says ever again.
She'll be on Fox News gargling Trump's balls in a day.
You're probably right.
I can see the photo of her working the Trump campaign phone bank now....
Just say and do anything to get that sweet, sweet power
Like, for a party that is full of anti-mask sentiment, they sure do love to wear metaphorical masks. One thing I said at the exit interview for a job I worked is, "When are you going to admit that you don't really see me or any of the guys on the shop floor as 'people'?"
And I'd like to put it forward to Republicans. What's it going to take to get you to take your mask off? What's it going to take to get you to admit you see everyone who isn't you as livestock? You know you're full of shit, we know you're full of shit, and you know that we know, and we know that you know that we know. Can we just drop the pretense and be honest with each other for a little bit?
It's like, when two people are in a romantic relationship, and that relationship enters a rough patch, but instead of fighting, moving on, and healing, both sides just have some unspoken agreement to keep pretending that everything is fine. The more I think about it, I kinda realize that it's like a game of chicken. First to drop the charade loses. And neither side wants to lose.
Don't let these criminals take your freedom
What I find so frustrating about this country is that a minority would get to rule over the majority in that way. It's bad enough that there are way too many cons and too many religious people on the court who do things like take away rights, now the same gaggle of people are hoping to enshrine that removal of rights in every state, no matter what the people in the state actually want for themselves.
It's always the failed abortions that are against abortion, weird huh?
Better than orange can still be worse than ok
"Vote for me, I'm a horrible person too!"
The trump is method.
Just be incoherent and let the audience fill in the rest for themselves.
Not only do you now have a bunch of followers who made the decision on their own and came up with their own ideas as to how you are going to help them, but you also did without actually committing to anything!!
Don't worry everyone, when not voting and protest voting lets her or Trump into office to do it, the white left will be here to remind us why we should spend energy being mad at the Democrats about it.
I think she would make a fine Presidentress. Seems like she has a few great ideas up her sleeve about how to get this country out of the mess that Joe got us into.
Sure thing, bucko.
Ladies and gentlemen, this is your “moderate” Republican candidate.
I mean, that IS moderate for a Republican. The more typical party view is Make America Handmaid's Tale.
Their point is that that's only moderate by today's standards. It wasn't 20 or 30 years ago. But like they said, "MODERN" republican
I don't usually wish for this, but I hope she gets an ectopic pregnancy and is forced to carry to term
Realistically she'd just fly herself to NY
I don’t wish that pain and suffering on anyone. Ever her terrible ass.
That said, she’s 100% the type of person that would get the medical care, and never mention it on the trail, and continue to try and win over the nuts who want a ban.
She already lies to her base in order to get votes.
Of the party of freedom!
I don't like to play devil's advocate, but there is a sliver of light between "I am fine with" and "I will push for" a federal law. Both terrible stances given the makeup of this country.