Every day baby

All these ADHD memes have several times made me think if there's a light version?

But from what I understand everyone can experience ADHD "symptoms" from time to time, but people who are diagnosed with it have symptoms that are several orders of magnitude more intense.

When it comes to neurodivergences that aren't strictly universal negatives (for example: anyone would agree that DID is terrible, while modern autism advocacy strongly opposes any sort of "cure", and even assimilation as opposed to integration), you can easily find the case that they work great as complements within larger groups. Having an autistic dude fascinated by working materials may result in your tribe being the very first one in the area that gets obsidian spears or composite bows, even if he isn't a very good hunter otherwise.

The problem comes when an industrialized, profit-obsessed society attempts to standarize social customs, goods, living spaces and so on while individualizing responsibility for every aspect of your life despite plenty of its factors being outside any one person's control. Perhaps you'd have a lot to contribute to society if you just had certain unusual accommodations, such as a very quiet house or freedom to set your own working hours, but companies in the contemporary market economy hisses at people who don't fit like cogs in a machine, and having a house with very specific conditions is outside the reach of a lot of people. Perhaps you do even manage to find the means to become a very productive member of society despite the odds being stacked against you, but because the specificity of your situation means you barely have any negotiation power in the labor market, most of what you produce gets appropriated by someone who isn't very smart, but has some capital and better "people skills".

Absolutely, most parts of neurodivergence is evolved to be useful for "wild" humans, hunter-gatherers. Like gee i sure wonder how it might be useful for people living in tents in the wildnerness to have a dude who just cannot go to sleep before 2 in the morning..

Apprently court jesters were historically generally autistic people, whom the rulers kept around because they wouldn't sugarcoat stuff and acted like a bullshit detector. Might be pretty handy for a tribe to have some people who'll speak up when they think the leader is being dumb.

To an extent, it is also beneficial in today's society. Hyperfocus and fast context switching can be assets in some jobs, if the downsides are not too great and that can depend on the job and colleagues a lot.

But yea, I can imagine it has been more of an asset in a different time.

There are certain aspects of ADHD that would be disordered in any societal structure.

I have been so hyperfixated on something that I have been completely oblivious to my own body's signals. As a result I have had accidents, developed UTIs, ended up in the ER with electrolyte imbalances, and dislocated several joints.

ADHD and joint Hypermobility are closely linked and while more studies are needed to understand exactly why and how, a lot of people with ADHD also meet criteria for Hypermobility spectrum disorders. In my case, I'll be focused on a task and I won't realise I'm clenching my jaw too firmly until the sudden sensation of undeniable pain sweeps over me and I realise my jaw has dislocated. Or ill be struggling with transitioning from a task to a rest, even though my knees are in agony, I can't seem to force myself to stop.

ADHD is also inherently linked to circadian rhythm disorders, and while yes, delayed sleep phase disorder is only truly a disorder if you're forcing yourself into a 9-5 lifestyle, ADHD sleep issues are more than just the shifting of the phases. A lot of people with ADHD will describe the sensation of sleep as being "passing out", because of the way our brains (fail to) regulate dopamine, the way serotonin and melatonin is secreted to create drowsiness is also impacted.

I don't get tired or sleepy, I get headaches and blurred vision and spasms in my back, and then I know that I can fall asleep if I lie down. I take sublingual melatonin tincture (I find it works better than tablets) and it's such a strange phenomenon because about 15 minutes after I take it I feel my eyes are heavy and my body is calm and my mind ia slower, aka, sleepy. I don't experience that without the help of supplements.

And sure there's the argument that you "people with ADHD used to be on night watch duty", but sleep deprived people make shit guards. If I'm not physically able to fall asleep until I'm "overtired", and if being tired makes my ADHD symptoms worse, then I'm no good for anything.

It's also not like hyperfixations are a super power (God I hate that way of framing things) I can't choose when or why they happen. If I could, I'd be good at just job, instead, I'm loosing all sensation in my feet because I'm stuck in a fixation trying to pick at the skin on my thighs because I spotted one single ingrown hair while I had my pants down sitting on the toilet. Now it's 40 minutes later, my alarm is going off in the other room, and I'm frozen, unable to transition away from this task.

ADHD is a spectrum, and for many people there are strengths, but it's most definitely a disorder and for a lot of people, even if we lived in the most utopian ADHD friendly society, there are still internal issues to face.

For the record, I am unmedicated and always have been due to a heart condition, so maybe my view on the condition would change if I had different treatment and management options available to me.

You're not alone in thinking that, and there are some studies which seem to agree.

Yeah complex issue but I definitely think it's become more of an issue in a highly specialized professional service economy. In previous structures maybe you were dependent on growing food and there were harsher consequences which would have been motivators. Or even in recent history, well paying jobs that required physical labor and little education. We know people in the past exhibited all kinds of issues, but the language used to describe is often hard to translate. They wouldn't just not know adhd exists, but lack the understanding of the mind to even quantify disorders like this, and there would be an entirely different set of concepts and language.

As someone diagnosed with ADHD, I find many of these posts overly dramatic. I understand that dealing with it is challenging, but when I see others discussing it, I sometimes feel that some might not genuinely have ADHD and are merely exaggerating for attention.

It's not that you don't have attention, what your lacking is the control over your attention. This means that you have a harder time directing your attention to what is "necessary".

The result of this might be not being able to focus your attention on something, but it can show also as not being able to shift the attention away from something.

It's actually not two different sides but rather the same.

Welcome to the gang. The natural follow up question then is that if it indeed is weed then which is worse; the ADHD-like symptoms or living without weed.

I've heard about many ADHD'ers unknowingly treating their symptoms with weed. Weed is especially addictive for us because it helps us feel better. Atleast in my own case it allows me to have long uninterrupted trains of thought. Like instead of the same thought just looping around it actually starts moving forward logically.

Hahaha - this is my train of thought too! Didn’t smoke for the month of November as an experiment. Started dreaming vividly, but no improvement in my awake state.

I’m assuming a 1-month break probably wasn’t enough for my brain to re-build neural connections… but how long of a break is! Maybe I’ll try again?

How are you ‘figuring this out’?

Fucking hell sorry your parents were abusive monsters.

I feel like the more you understand how your brain works, the more you learn how to work around it.

Full disclosure: I'm not diagnosed, but on a waitlist for ADD - for over a year now and it's not moving, but I digress. I am diagnosed with autism though.

To me it feels like my brain is a wildwater. You can't control it, but if you change the environment around it, you can guide it into useful directions. I'm lucky that by now the people around me have accepted it and are able to laugh with me when I fuck up. We have a lot of systems in place to reign in the worst effects, and the more we get used to it the easier it gets not to fall into traps and not to be unreliable.

I guess I'm working on my skills as a mindbender who tricks my brain into being useful while still allowing it to get that dopamine?

Ugh, self appointed internet psychiatrists are the worst. I've been told so many times I don't have things I am diagnosed with. All because I won't give a random internet stranger enough proof. Or because apparently it's impossible for a doctor to cause trauma.

I am 50. After reading a lot about the subject, I also suspect I am affected - my whole life. Getting an appointment with a psychiatrist to be sure right now. It would explain so much...

You may still have a complex set of flaws, homie

Late bloomer here too! My 39th birthday gift was my first adderall xr and a taste of what it's like to think about either nothing or just one thought of my choosing.

Wow does that feel worse? I mean ADHD or no, you're still beholden to your neurology to some degree.

Even if isn't a common diagnosis for the kind of thing you are.

If it helps, ADHD has a heritability of 77-88% according to one study. That's on par with height.

Getting diagnosed is a joke. Literally took 10 minutes. They don’t verify or go into depth about anything. At least it was that way for me. They gave me adderall but it made me feel like a crackhead so I only used it for a month. Vynase was better but still didn’t end up liking it too much. These days I let Jesus take the wheel.

I have ADHD or I'm an expert procrastinator.

Think of it like this.

Your whole life your foot has been getting more and more swollen. You don't know why. It impedes every facet of your life but it's never consistent. Some days it is swollen and hard to run on. Other days you can sprint no problem but standing still is what hurts. Other days it is killing you no matter what you do. But you push on and over years you learn to adapt, humans are good at that. You find ways to relieve the pressure when the standing days happen, find ways to keep running even if you want to tear off your limb. You get through it. You make do. You're never comfortable, you're never fine, you're never completely okay but you make do and you've come to terms with that.

And then one day someone sees your foot and says "Oh, that's arthritis. Yeah there's some meds you can take that will massively reduce pain, swelling, allow you to run and stand whenever you want. Just gotta find a doc to help with it."

Are you going to keep running on that foot? Or is it even the slightest bit worth it to try and get a little relief after suffering for so long?

I would but I can't just seem to be able to get into it for some mysterious reason.