"Your SciFi about how the VC are good and Nixon is Palpatine is too woke, that's why I'm a fan of the SciFi about how much space communism fucks and is Based"
Going by rightoid standards, Trek is so much more "woke" than Star Wars
Counterpoint: many right wingers are dumb as fuck and don't understand social commentary that's more subtle than a brick to the face
My favorite form of social commentary:
Wow, even Fox News is pushing the woke communist agenda now
What does the right even have lol - the Starship Troopers federation?
There's the unironic WH40k empire stans, but they're probably seen as incredibly weird and off-putting even by the Fox News ghouls.
i'm still mad they rewrote the Tau from 'hopelessly outnumbered genuine good guys who are too insignificant to make a serious difference in the galaxy, which is full of incredibly powerful factions who are too stupid/racist/xenophobic to ally with each other to take down the biggest existential threats' to '1984 alien mind control parasites make everyone subservient to the ethereals so they can genocide the humans they trick into joining their empire'
but in classic slopagandist fashion they will deny making any claim whatsoever about reality or related concepts, and insist that since the lore is written from the imperial perspective it might just be propaganda. this has zero effect on the wider culture and community, who continue earnestly 'larp'-ing as fascists, while absolving them of any specific wrongdoing.
Agreed. The Tau were actual proper grimdark done right. Fighting against hopeless odds in a war they cannot win just because it is the right thing to do. That's really dark. But I guess the empire stans got mad that there was actually a faction worth rooting for in the franchise so they had to fix that.
At least the Orks are alright.
Right wingers seem to like Dune but scifi isn't their domain I think. Unless you count novels like the Probability Broach.
Conservatives are into fantasy. Tolkien is their guy.
They also generally have an incredibly shallow knowledge of and grasp on Tolkien's works and either base everything off the movies cause they ain't read the books or project a lot of stuff that they want into it and ignore that reading the hard to read stuff will tell you they're wrong. I wish Tolkien were still around cause he'd be an absolutely vicious reply guy.
Right wingers seem to like Dune
Dune is actually rightwing, a conservative morality play and distant future. Frank Herbert was what today would be called a chud and was very open about it. That being said, Dune is still amazing space opera and something unique.
I do find it funny when leftists who don't know the background of the author and his own interpretation twist themselves into knots trying to make Dune into some kind of leftist agitprop.
I've never watched Star Trek and only saw couple of the originals from Wars, but isn't the first one just fully automated luxury space communism written by libs and the second just Vietnam war allegory turned McDonald's toy?
Culture wars are the last funny bit of this farce
pretty much, yes
When Star Wars space ancapistan is too woke for you.
They should just become Dune fans.
tbf the original series is hella sexist. Maybe it wasn’t so bad for its era, but it is really tough to watch in 2023. Roddenberry was a sex pest and it shows.
One scene that stands out to me, a female officer walks onto the bridge (of course she is conventionally attractive, because Roddenberry). Kirk, Scotty, and some other male officer start talking how she’s good at her job but eventually she’ll meet a nice man, get married, and then want to leave Starfleet. Apparently it’s impossible to keep women officers because they only care about men. In the episode with Khan there’s another female officer who basically loses her mind because Khan is so sexually irresistible. That’s a recurring theme in TOS, the men are always cool and the women just want them. TNG is so much better and nothing like this (except for making Troi wear a non-standard low cut leotard uniform for no discernible reason).
If someone has never seen Star Trek asks me how to get into it, I tell them to start on TNG and go from there.
Female empowerment is impregnating Commander Tucker with pebbles
That’s a recurring theme in TOS, the men are always cool and the women just want them.
Unless the women are green
TNG is so much better and nothing like this
Having just rewatched it, it's honestly worse in a few places, because it tries to have Lwaxana/Crusher/Troi-centered episodes but all they can think of is "Ghost Rape", "Lol Menopause", and "Space Baby Jesus".
TOS almost only ever introduces a woman for her to fall in love with the sexy male villain/god/robot, and while being basically treated as set dressing is bad in itself, at least they spend less time writing them badly.
I guess the difference is that TNG actually has some good representation of women mixed in.
How it looks when you definitely understand what a Vulcan salute is and how it's definitely not a variation on throwing up the w
I'm not a Trekkie and i know you don't do the Vulcan salute with the back of your hand
It could be a reference to a very specific gag in Lower Decks. It isn't, but it could be.
I swear to god if conservatives appropriate Star Trek
In their confusion they became communists
Abolishing money to own the libs
In my freshman year there was this Christian conservative kid who lived on my dorm floor that was obsessed with Star Trek (lol) and Ghostbusters (probably slightly more appropriate for his ideology)
I kinda want to know what she think Star Trek is about.
The original had the first on screen interracial kiss.
TNG is all about finding the best way to minimize suffering and uplift species so that Riker can sling dong
Those are the only two series I watched. Can someone fill me in on DS9? Is there like a rad fascist crew?
DS9 says that terrorism is cool and good sometimes using an alien race formerly under a 50 year brutal Carassian occupation thst the writers said in interviews was analogous to the struggle of the Palestinians. Ds9 also has an episode where a main character leads a strike and quotes Marx. The captain travels back to this year and sparks a revolution over the homeless crisis in the most prescient piece of Sci fi ever, it was written in 1992. Garak is a queer icon and Jadzia/Ezri Dax are trans icons. Deep Space Nine is the most left wing Trek until Lower Decks happened. Also watch DS9, it's absolutely amazing.
The only fascist is Janeway, Paris is just her grill dad lover
why is she showing the live long and prosper sign backwards. is she confusing it with the westside gang sign.
creatures of pure neuron stimulus-response, sometimes I wish my life was so simple
no media literacy
[Slams]
Actual psychic damage.
At least my bigot uncle is consistent in having always hated both, lol
Star Trek is most definitely space communism, but wow, I never thought of Star Wars like that and i appreciate it so much.
The Culture will forever be the scifi universe society Is most want to live in
Sometimes I think Fox News is some kind of deep cover left wing operation to get conservatives to agree to the dumbest, most ridiculous and contradictory ideas possible.
Please forward chuds the Star Trek Acid Party.