Berlin says EU should prepare for war by end of decade
Europe could face threats from Russia by the end of the decade, and EU countries need to build up their defence industries to be prepared, German Defence Minister Boris Pistorius said during an interview published on Welt am Sonntag on Saturday.
There's a war going on right now in Ukraine, helping them win it will make Russia launching a next war less likely and further off.
This is exactly what I am thinking as well. Russia is clearly threatening the stability of the EU right now. If the EU wants to send a strong signal against aggression and meddling, it needs support Ukraine in a way that makes it clear to any would-be-adversary, that the EU is willing and capable to defend itself and its allies.
what are the odds Ukraine actually takes back their territory? The vaunted summer counteroffensive was a complete and abject failure
They stopped and presented most of their combat power when it looked like it was going to be a waste like Russia's recent offensives. They shifted to an attritional fight. You are right in line with the Russian narrative though.
LOL, Russia has already LOST the war. Now they are just desperately trying to take dirt.
Sweats in Polish
I laughed
My history teacher used to say that over the course of history every generation faces a full scale war that directly impact them. Looking through the last couple of centuries that seems about right. I haven't been in a war yet and I'm a45 years old so, yeah, I'm kinda scared.
This same teacher also used to say that the only "good" thing about a civil war is that the country that faces it nerves goes through another one ever again. Seeing how things are good in the United States now I'm starting to think that this teacher might be wrong.
Plenty of countries have had multiple civil wars.
I was going to say, I'm pretty sure this is just historically inaccurate in addition to the fact that there can always be a first for anything.
But their name changed in between so it doesn't count /s
We won't have other one*
*While the generations affected are alive.
Once the living memories are gone it's much harder to prevent, since anyone can argue a stance from a history book.
This reminds me of how WWI was at one point known as 'the war to end all wars'.
How fucking naive were the people who really thought that!
We were in a weird spot after the Industrial Revolution but before globalism.
Post WWII recovery changed that, when most of the developed world (sans America) was literally in shambles.
I don’t think we’ll ever see another full out war between major powers. Capitalism and the all-mighty dollar will prevent that. But at the same time it will encourage proxy wars.
Scarcity is a concern but again mostly for the smaller powers. More than likely it’ll be some sort of indebtedness between impoverished countries and their pimp nations backing them out of the proxy wars they created.
They also said we get a financial crisis every generation. How many have we had?
Article 5
“The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security.'
Why has every comment here been downvoted?
Russia troll farms I imagine.
We're big enough that troll farms think we're relevant! We did it, Lemmy!
The comments don’t feel like people that are interested in a good faith discussion with a dash of troll
Lemmy bugs lol
Here we go again
The usual money flow. What future generation will be able to stop these should-be-retired chiefs?
Oh no not again
Why Berlin? Why?
fuck
Knowing germany, this sounds like a threat
Nah dude. It will be refreshing to once not be part of the source of a world war. #fingerscrossed
I've already poisoned you, my friend
I know Germany. Been there many times. And, no.
You and Germany are like 🤞
You don't know Germany. Even with a lower case G.
is this a threat
I don't see, after having read the article, how one could consider it a threat. How did you come to question?
thanks Germany!
Is that a threat, Berlin?
to russia? yes
We should make it very clear to enemies like Russia that we do not want a war but are ready for one, if they are stupid enough to start one.
We are already paying for 2 wars, nothing new
Paying to have your neighbors build weapons.
More money for the death-machine and profits for the shareholders, hurray!
Pacifism is great and all, but Putin clearly shows that you need to be able to defend yourself, if you don't want your rights and your freedom eroded away by foreign interests. Granted, no military will help you defend against threats to your rights from within, but it makes it at least less likely that those threats from within get backing from foreign threats.
While I really wish we would do more that Russia loses this war sooner rather than later and their economy is shattered, because that's the only way I see out of this with Putin losing power, I have to say that Putin only got into the powerful position he's in now due to mutual escalation for decades. This includes permanent provocations by NATO versus Russia. NATO is a bunch of warmongering pieces of shit, but Putin was so fucking stupid that he basically made the biggest PR campaign that NATO could ever have wished for, and now everyone wants to suck off Jens piece of shit Stoltenberg.
I despise NATO with every fibre of my being, yet I am fully aware that the stupid fucks have played their cards well enough that now even I see the need for a total econominal crushing of Russia. Only with a regime change we could then try to help the next Russian regime with humanitarian aid to prevent famines etc.
This is not Iraq. This is a dictatorship invading democracies. I protested the same as you did, we lost the conservatives won. That doesn't mean this is our second chance.
This is exactly what this saber rattling is about. But judging by the downvotes, most readers don't have the mental capacity to see that separately from the need to help Ukraine in the current situation.