Maybe later... how about never, you fucks?
Maybe later... how about never, you fucks?
It is endlessly frustrating that companies have universally decided that they won't let people say "no" to stuff, ever. There are no longer options to reject stupid-ass new "features", only postponement until next time you open the app/website/program. They'll continue pestering you for the rest of your life. I realize that my frustration may be a little over-zealous, but we deal with these interfaces dozens of times per day and this is user hostile behavior. There isn't really an option to just use another service or program, since the entire technology landscape has been commandeered by a few major corporations, and they all enact the same shitty things as a group.
You should be pissed off! It's software paternalism, utilizing new speak, removing your vocabulary and agency.
Every time you're given a dark pattern dialogue where it says " would you like this thing that you don't like? Yes absolutely, later " the developers don't respect you, they're trying to say you don't know what you want, they're using propaganda on you..
It's like the classic police interrogation question " is that when you stopped beating your wife?" Yes and no are both traps. So some edgy developer is trying to trap you with oh but you consented (can send it) to seeing this later. When it's really user hostile dark patterns using forced language to remove your agency as a human being. It's fucking scummy
This is why I love open source software, not only is it highly unlikely for you to see a dark pattern, if you do you can fix it!
Yes, the most egregious one that really grinds my gears is on the front page of YouTube, where it will show a shelf with YouTube shorts with an X top right. If you click it, it will hide the shelf and say "Okay, we'll hide shorts for 30 days" which is something no body would ever mean by pressing that button and it's such patronizing, insidious bullshit.
I don't think that you're being overzealous. Far from that - even the phrasing rubs me the wrong way; it conveys "you're something fooling itself that it has a choice. You don't - you aren't a rational human being, you're a user. Do as you're being ordered to. The continued pestering adds "You'll be bossed around until you learn to obey." to the insult.
On a lighter side I agree with Grouchy that you have options. I think that we should start giving those companies the middle finger. And frankly I think that we're better off doing so for other reasons - the data vultures love this sort of "non-confrontational on surface, but bossy upon analysis" discourse.
In the eighties, it was acknowledged that since the fifties the viewing public are more resistant to commercials and marketing, outpacing their new techniques (more commercials, engaging commercials, obnoxious commercials, product placement, having whole shows that are one big commercial, etc.)
One factor is as marketers hard-sell middle age men, they're also immunizing their kids and grand kids who grow up skeptical of anyone saying anything nice lest they're trying to sell something.
This also likely figures into the attendance crises experienced by religious ministries as old parishioners age out and new ones realize they don't have time for spirit or money for tithes.
This is just one of a hundred reasons to avoid proprietary software. The only power we have to change the behavior of closed software is not using it.
Free Software is the only solution to this in the long run.
Yeah, Google is doing this to analytics right now. The decision seems universally disliked amongst professionals.
Nowadays it's even in cars. When service is due, my car offers me to call service desk to schedule an appointment now or later. To get rid of this message, I need to make the call just to tell the person on the other side that this is a company car, I'm not the owner, and service is being scheduled by the leasing company through other means anyway.
It's just like those stupid GDPR cookie popups. They're all different, and I can't think of anyone who would ever want to select some cookies and not others, people either are okay with it or they want none of them, yet few sites offer a "no to all" option, and most push the boundaries of what's allowed under the law.
At least this popup usually isn't there the next time I visit, but there's just so many sites that I keep getting them multiple times a day, so it feels just like what you're talking about.
"Do you want to try the new Lemmy(TM) Story Experience? Click here or remind us now to keep reminding you until you finally cave to our humungous data-hoovering tentacles, puny little user."
Microsoft: "Please use Edge!"
Me: "No thanks!"
Microsoft, 6 months later: "Please use Edge!"
Me: "No, thanks."
Microsoft, when I visit Bing: "Please use Edge."
Me: "No. Thanks."
Microsoft, when I open Outlook: "We will be opening links in Edge instead of your default browser. To switch back, go to your preferences."
Me: "Motherfucker, I think we have a difference in viewpoints."
The only way to say "no" is to not give them the opportunity to ask the question to begin with.
I've been pissed about this for a decade
it seems to be part of the general hostility corporations have toward, well, humans.. like you say, developers seem to be pushing every limit they can to try to get in your face, or chain you to them for life, and they don't seem to have a lot of incentive to back the fuck off.. i am completely fed up with all of them.. like you, i have a hostile attitude in return..
Part of this is a symptom of support demands from users. There has been an expectation in software development historically, back from when software was always hideously expensive and limited to companies as users, that errors would be fixed by someone on demand ASAP. We're all familiar with the IT guy "file a ticket first" signs on offices, or the idiot executive's demands for a new computer because they filled theirs with malware somehow.
But now a lot of what software did is web-based and frequently free/freemium. But the customer's expectations of having their issue fixed ASAP remains. Despite the internet being far from a standardised system of completely intercompatible components. So updates and fixes need to continually be deployed.
And that's great for most people, until that expectation extends to the creation of new features, from management and end users alike. Then things start getting pumped out half-finished-at-best because you can just fix the MVP later, right?
We're going to get to the backlog sometime... right? We don't need to keep launching new features every quarter... right?
Agreed. This is relatable AF.
THANK YOU. I'm glad others are noticing this and getting fed up with it.
No means no, damnit.
It's maddening. Some of our users prefer Edge, so I don't run anything that would remove it. So much M$ is a PITA. But hey, Patch Tuesday is tomorrow 😀
