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autismdragon [he/him, they/them] @hexbear.net

2y ago

"capitalism doesnt exist" is a new one for me

https://nitter.net/JeffNeelzIsBack/status/1731070930628313422

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"what the fuck is 'water'?"
- Dee Eff Dubya
- "water" doesn't exist, & was an invented big soda strawman against "the current drink"
"You think you can beat me." Smug smile widens. "Do you even think that's air you're breathing?"
capitalism has gotten so evil and indefensible that its supporters have fallen to the level of denying that it as a system even exists and so no criticism against it is valid at all
- There is a spectre not haunting the world
Important insight into the liberal mind. They literally believe that Capitalism is just what you get when there's no rules at all (ie. True Freedom™) and Communism is when there's rules and government and shit.
I am against the vacuum of space
Even aside from the capitalism nonsense, wtf is going on in this guy's head?
So you can't be against the absence of for example justice, because that's the exact same as saying you're against freezing temperatures or darkness, since they're all the absence of something?
- wtf is going on in this guy's head?
  "I'm so frickin smart dude holy shit"
- Combo of
  and this
- also you obviously can think it's too cold and dark
- Capitalist
  There were literally major strikes this year caused by the absence of good working conditions.
real capitalism has never been tried!!!
- Technically true. The government always subsidized profit making ventures, whether by protecting merchant ships with a navy, or building roads, bridges, and canals.
  
  that is capitalism, the state is a necessary part of enforcing capital's power over the working class
  
  Technically true
  No, technically it isn't
Unfortunately the idea that capitalism is made-up isn't new. It's something libertarians say. To them, socialists made up capitalism to couch their own political ideology. If the modern world is based on human nature, if economic laws are eternal and automatic, then there is no "ism", it's just what must happen, and therefore anything else (like socialism) is false and contrived.
- lmao, this is exactly the same as when American Christian fundamentalists argue that Christianity isn't a religion but all the other religions are
  
  WHAT lmao I havent seen that one either.
  
  I've also heard: conservatism isn't an ideology.
- Centrist liberals excels at this at well. How often have you heard drivel like "ideologies are bad!" or "we just listen to the experts!"?
  
  Media bias sites that treat centrism as neutrality.
- I've had a coworker unironically tell me that capitalism doesn't exist in the US because government meddling prevents true capitalism from doing its thing.
  He considers himself a libertarian, too.
  
  Yeah I've heard that one too, especially in some of the reddit debatebro cesspools like /r/CapitalismVSocialism
  It doesn't even matter if it's not "true" capitalism if "true" capitalism inevitably leads to monopoly and regulatory capture.
Capitalism is a strawman is the ultimate evolution of reddit brain.
We must counter it with "communism is whataboutism"
- whataboutism
  
  whataboutism
It's like saying you're against the vacuum of space..
Hows'about'ya step into this here airlock...
This guy's right, rather than naming something and talking about it we should call every present ruling ideology "the current system" and all past ruling ideologies ""the current system"". That makes much more sense.
- there's no such thing as society, after all
Liberals obviously have no grasp of reality, but libertarians and ancaps take it to an entirely different level lol
- this but replace shaka with marx
- honestly I wish there were more libertarians and ancaps in the name of accelerationism
Jeff is back. He still hasn’t heard of The Wall Street Journal, read by capitalists, socialists, communists, the Amish, drug traffickers, et. al.
amazing! all the encoding of communication, with none of that pesky 'meaning'
How can capitalism be real if our eyes aren’t real
Fuck you I hate space! Fight me!
I am quite certain that the vacuum of space is thoroughly permeated by various fields and filled with unfathomable numbers of short lived virtual particles. I am pretty sure it has been experimentally shown that the vacuum can exert a force, entirely on its own? It is for these reasons that I am against the vacuum of space!
https://physicsworld.com/a/the-casimir-effect-a-force-from-nothing/
When you take the phrase "Marx was formulating a criticism of society, starting with capital" entirely the wrong way.
Is that what happens when liberals read theory?
- It's what happens when you get your theory from the Rand institute
bruh what
So many words just to say "capitalism is a spook."
The opposite of "Everything is a social construct". "Everything that isn't a social construct isn't actually really". Antimaterialism as dogma.
You can't be "against" the absence of something
Uh.. yes you can? I mean, that's just being "for" something. Double negatives must be a real hard concept to grasp for Mr Logical™
The thing is, he's sort of right. Capitalism was defined by its detractors describing what was around them. You can absolutely be against the current order of things, whether you describe it under a term "capitalism" or not.
- Yes, capitalism existed for a few centuries before it was actually defined (with the word, e.g. Adam Smith doesn't mention Capitalism). I am not disputing that.
i mean it's true insofar as the most incisive theorists of capitalism were and are its critics. For its proponents, it works best when it is unperceivable.

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