linuxmemes @lemmy.world TiredInsomniac @feddit.it 12 mo. ago

They caught us

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I really don't like how "consumer-friendly" means "GUI that resembles Windows" in the minds of so many people.
- Gotta meet the customer where they are, not where you would like them to be. Most people don't want to learn a new thing.
  
  You gotta meet the customer halfway until you get enough of them hooked, then slowly start introducing new ideas into their mental ecosystems that align with your vision.
- Windows wasn't first, Xerox was
  
  Xerox did so much for modern computing. If only people knew.
  
  But no person on the planet, except the nerdiest of pedants, are thinking of Xerox when they see Windows interface. They think of Windows, even if it's KDE
- I like the terminal but don't remember all the arguments. I find that clunky. That's my main issue with it. (I'm open to suggestions if anyone has any)
  
  I highly recommend zsh. It takes a moment to setup initially, but you can use oh-my-zsh to just skip that part and use one of the many, many presets, and it supports plugins, of which there are many. It gives you tab support for so many popular commands, you will never need to remember them, and it has a lot of small improvements that makes your terminal life a breath. For example, if you do cd tab in bash, it will give you a list of subdirrectories. If you do the same in zsh, it will give you that list and a cursor that you can use to navigate said list, so instead of typing the dir, you can do cd tab tab tab enter
  
  Lots of terminal commands come with tab-completion out of the box (start typing a command, hit tab to autocomplete, hit tab twice to bring up a list of available options), or have tab completion scripts you can install after the fact.
  
  Lacking tab completion, any worthwhile terminal commands will at least support a -h/--help flag that will print out a help menu summarizing the different options, or you can open up the man pages to see even more detailed documentation with man [whatever terminal command]. If the terminal command doesn't have either of those, I'd recommend against using it.
- I was just forced to Switch to Mac and let me tell you that I'm actually enjoying it.
  
  Things I like so far:
  
  An actual modern email client that isn't web based. Web mail clients feel so cumbersome.
  
  Same thing for a calendar application.
  
  Nice reminders app out of the box. Can schedule alarms on reminders and categorize them.
  
  Nice notes app that I don't need to constantly save. It never closes, which feels great compared to Gedit.
  
  Security. Apps notify me when they want to access system resources and I have to authorize them.
  
  Unix. Unix matters a lot.
  
  Homebrew has incredible support. I can install almost anything with it.
  
  Iterm2 feels almost like Terminator.
  
  Things I hate:
  
  The fact that they have another keyboard layout. Although, after 3 days I'm getting used.
  
  Updates take forever, it's insane.
  
  Can't easily switch back and forth (not cycle) between windows of same apps. Haven't figured this one out.
  
  Docker runs in a VM, it sucks.
  
  Can't get used to multiple desktops. I hate them.
  
  Honestly, it isn't as bad as Windows. As long as I have a terminal and a nice shell, I'm good.
  
  I use macOS as my daily driver, though still use Linux sometimes. When I dual-booted macOS with Linux, I immediately fell in love. I don't have a Mac, but my next computer will be a MacBook. Of course there are things I don't like, but I will not write it down right now, maybe edit this comment later. I love the virtual desktops tough, I always press the green button on Safari to maximize, and put it on a new desktop, so I can easily switch with a 4-finger swipe, and I don't have to overlay another window or Safari when I am switching apps.
- I tried Plasma, it was for only half an hour.....
- For me Windows GUI is definition of not user friendly GUI.
  
  Okay and what's your definition of user friendly.
- Yeah wow why don't people like stuff like the compaq book and shit, it was damn impressive!
The only GUI library you need is ncurses.

There’s no escape from ANSII escape characters!
The purpose of Unix was to be user friendly. And it is. You haven't seen what it replaced.

Also friendliness doesn't require a Fisher Price interface.
- Let me say that I really like "Fisher Price interface"
  
  Its called xp
- You should amend
  
  You haven’t seen what it replaced
  
  With
  
  You aren’t used to it
  
  Unix was meant to be much friendlier than the mainframe systems that wer prevalent at the time and which wer horrible to use without a lot of training (or even with it). By contrast, Unix commands were simple, self documenting. Anyone could use it.
I don't even see the symbols anymore
That's defintiely the wrong title.

No, it's not the user catching Linux in trying to pretend user friendliness witht the terminal.

It's Linux catching the user in still hating it when he gets the wanted user friendliness, for the sole reason of being conditioned to hate the terminal.
- If you are able to use those buttons in the terminal, it wouldn't be a terminal.
  
  What? The person you're replying to doesn't have the best argument in the world so I'm not exactly siding with them, but also a lot of terminals very much do support mouse input. I'm not sure which all ones it is, but I know the gnome terminal does and I'm pretty sure Konsole does as well. Obviously not every program you run in the terminal is going to support it but off the top of my head I remember vim does as well as I'm pretty sure dialog
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  When did these hallucinations first start?
  
  Father, I can not click the terminal.
  
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- How do people use Windows without CLI?
  
  It’s way harder to GUI-only than Linux
  
  Menus upon menus upon menus!
btop be like
Is this actually a thing?
- Prepare for your mind to be blown: https://github.com/charmbracelet/bubbles
  
  You have no idea how many scripts I'm going to build with that...
- Ranger
  
  Ranger is also incidentally the name of my dog.
  
  https://github.com/gokcehan/lf
  
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- Midnight Commander has been around for ages. It's a straight ripoff/homage to the original Norton Commander, a full-fledged file manager and a godsend on week-kneed machines (like old netbooks).
- There's TUIFI Manager
  
  twin, directfb2, and gum, pytermgui too.
  
  edit: huh, gum and bubbles are from the same guy. But bubbles is for Go, gum for shell.
  
  These are awesome!
- Yes. k9s comes to my mind.
- So I don't remember the program or even the distro but there is 100% a "Paint" clone that's all terminal symbols.
- I'm the kind of guy who will sometomes automate his laziness. I once wrote a simple gui that was basically this meme.
bb showed us what the terminal can really do
I find ASCII incredibly readable honestly. I use pixel fonts too, but I love the sharp blocky characters it's so much easier on the eyes than whatever windows or iOS has going on by default
- mh mh, but I'm afraid ASCII isn't what you suppose it is
  
  Not really relevant, but as a kid I though the "II" part of ASCII was roman numerals. I was all the way to graduate school before my prof literally on the floor laughing because I had said "asskey two" set me straight.
- I still didn't learned how to comprehend dwarf fortress native ASCII
Speaking of a terminal displaying symbols, I still really miss slrn. I'd love a Lemmy client with that interface.
500GB? Teeny drive
- Man I'm just poor
- I run 128gb on my laptop lol
  
  Wait, how? I have zero games installed on my 1TB laptop and still only have like 300GB free.
what's wrong with a terminal displaying symbols?
Remind me of flappy bird in finder: https://eieio.games/nonsense/game-11-flappy-bird-finder/
Linux is just as user friendly. It's just that you can't compare the experience you already have on something completely different
Consumer friendly?

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