Airing of Grievances Part I: We are not the same.

I'm a reddit refugee

from 2023,

but my original instance lemm.ee

has become history

There, only hexbear banned me

which actually means I'm decent, you see?

Are we the same person? I was on lemon.ee for a month before it shut down. Then actually jumped to another account after hexbear when I started to find out more about them.
i avoided those instances, after i heard how bad they were accidentally engaging in thier posts, they rubbed the wrong way so i blocked them before could recieve a ban from them.
I want this read at my funeral
- I'll try to stop by?
Wait a second. You got banned from Reddit two years ago. Then you got onto lemm.ee and then immediately started shitposting in hexbear. Got banned, went back to lemm.ee, tanked that community through abuse and neglect. And had to migrate to... cracypeople.online?
And the problem is with... everyone else?
- Is there reason to assume the hexbear “offense” was bad faith and they contributed to lemm.ee’s decline.
  Hexbear can ban you for not thinking Russia is doing good by invading ukraine. So I wouldn’t take a Hexbear ban very seriously.
- I was never banned from reddit. I left due to the decisions of their management, mostly regarding 3rd party app api connectivity, but also their decisions regarding the content of the users and Ai scraping, and related to singular governing structure.
  I've not been a shit poster that I'm aware of, I think I was banned for disagreeing with their ...slightly awkward... political leanings.
  your comments about tanking the community are empty and seem to be a juvenile attempt to illicit some dumb troll emotional response. lol @ you.
- I love how you made up an entire false origin story out of four select words.
- They didn't say they got banned, only that they're a refugee from there.

Yea, reddit api thing burned that bridge, been happy ever since.

Same, but kind of sucky sharing a perimeter with authoritarians and the worst kind of anarchists. If Lemmy were a physical location and not an online space I'd be sleeping fully armed.
- I don't mind reading their points of view. I block people that cross lines but overall I appreciate different viewpoints.
- What do you consider the worst kind of anarchist? If I were to guess it would be anarco capitalists. Because they're just capitalists. But that's just me.
- aka a subway station
Same, I always used third party clients since they create awful stuff. When the clients stopped working, I stopped going and started using lemmy.

Im here because I'm fucking stubborn.

I hate the Reddit app, give me back RIF and I'll abandon this place in a heartbeat. Give me a paid Reddit option to fuck the adds off and Ill take it. Ill pay $20 a month not to have to listen to you neckbeards to try and make literally every conversation about capitalism, linux or Trump.

Bunch of one note ass motherfuckers, you think I dont know the world sucks? I want some escapism for fuck sake.

I want some escapism for fuck sake.
You may want to try subscribing to non-political communities, and then browsing by subscribe. For example, here's a list of communities I subscribe to for when I don't want to read about politics:
Arch btw
Have you heard of FreeBSD or Haiku? You could become even more extreme than us Linux users. Think about it!
- BSD and Haiku users are far more chill and dont deny obvious downsides their OS has.
If Trump switched to Linux capitalism would fall
- Pray to lord donny to be linux pilled 🙏 ramen
I keep getting banned for the dumbest shit these days. God forbid you insult Nancy pelosi for some reason. I got banned for jokingly saying "pour beans in his mouth" as petty revenge for someone farting in a CPAP. It's is getting dumbed down so bad over there
- The frontpage was never good, but hooo boy.
  Every time I catch a peek now it's the same Am I the Asshole (they're obviously not), Am I Overreacting (My husband called me 15 different slurs, AIO????), and the same stupid AskReddit questions (Americans of Reddit, how do you feel living in a ruined country?)
  I swear, back then there were bots reposting old posts and reply chains, now they must be AI generating the whole thing because all the frontpage shit is the exact same posts, following the same format, day after day.
  At this point I wouldn't go back even if rolled back their shitty changes.
- I’ve been banned on reddit for nothing so many times lol. People were saying something about a white person, and I made a very innocuous joke like “white people are the worst!” and I kid you not, some worthless reddit brained dumbfuck called me racist and told me to GTFO. I was perma banned. Stuff like that a million times over.
Looks like you want to be free. There is an easy way to do that, if I may ask for just 5 minutes of your time....
- I dont care what you think.
For reddit I use RedReader, I don't know if that will be enough for you tho.

To be fair @ptz@dubvee.org

You’re doing an impossible job by trying to basically singlehandedly create a nice curated instance while removing all the bad stuff. Which honestly is amazing. But it’s not suprising to me that with that sort of workload you’re having a tough time and the charm of the lemmyverse is fading.

Edit: Holy shit I didn’t realise you’re shutting down dubvee (https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/28754411). Honestly, I think that’s a very fair choice on your part given the situation. Respect.🫡

Thanks. And yep. This started as a fun project 2 years ago and it turned into a nightmare. Best thing I can do is leave.
Thanks for being one of the sane ones lol.
- You abandoning lemmy completely or just the instance? If the former, will you be going back to reddit or avoiding this format completely?

The first 6-12 months here (during/right after the Reddit API drama) were great. After that…not so much.

I left reddit at the same time for the same reason; found Lemmy, and honestly I've loved it. Looking at other comments, it looks like you're actually running an instance, so your interaction with the fediverse has been very different from mine... can definitely understand burnout from that angle!

I'd recommend just making an account on an established instance, then curating your personal feed reductively by blocking communities and posters whose content you're not interested in. That process will take weeks, but just keep passively blocking shit you don't want to see, and the quality of your experience will skyrocket.

Yeah I'm in the same boat. Though I will say, I have no personal experience of the stress and burden of running an instance myself. Especially one where the admins are actively trying to cultivate a non-toxic environment. That workload and the toxicity it exposes you to must be hell.
Personally I've had almost entirely positive experiences here, up to and including currently. But I stay out of politics, I've curated my subscriptions carefully and I never browse /all.
- I almost exclusively browse /all, but I'm up to 897 blocked communities (sports and porn and sports and porn and sports and porn and sports and porn and sports and porn and...).
  It takes some doing, but you can whittle /all down to something personalized and enjoyable to browse.

I came here because I was permabanned from all os Reddit because I wrote an elevator lie about. A fictitious lie about a cheese man roaming the campus late at night

Edit:I’m sorry I can’t make this coherent I’m knocked badly

Are you sure it was a lie ?

I admit that I got banned from Reddit. I suspect that after saying a bunch of stuff that was unfriendly to lord Musk, to Netanyahu and to Hamas. Since then I seem to have gotten even the most innocent comments reported, leading to a permaban.

i was banned before all that drama, i posted/reported on someone on r/technology and recieved a temp ban for "reporting too much, or reporting that isnt "approved nebulously"
Tbqf not missing much, place is a cesspit

Many of the people here were banned from reddit for being unbearable and they learned nothing

I told a Nazi spouting hate to drink bleach. what did I learn?
Reddit is full of Nazi supporting scum.
edit: I also got banned from imgur for telling a person promoting the euthanasia of disabled people was better than allowing them to "dirty the pool". I also told them to drink bleach.
Imagine my surprise when a US president tells people the same thing and gets reelected!

I dont care. If you got banned from reddit youre doing the world a great service.

99% is still dumb as rocks though

Same percentage as the real world so good representation.

I've been perma-banned from reddit a bunch and I eventually just got tired of making new accounts lol.

heheh they use some kind of fingerprinting, a combination of your OS, ISP IP, and browser. At some point you can't keep creating new accounts.
- Funny thing is, I'm pretty sure I used an encrypted email to make my last account

I like it here for the most part but I don’t like the reddit tendencies. Stuff we solved many years ago there. Why is it not great anymore?

People ruin everything.

Fediverse users who are here because uhh privacy

Lemmy is not, and never has been private. It's highly public
- Its private in that it doesn't collect data about you, besides what you provide yourself.
*Anonymity
Using Tor btw
- I use Zelda Botw
lemmy asks a privacy-brain user for their password "who says I have an account?"

Oh geez, Rick... These guys sure like their echo chambers...

YeURRRPep, Morty. Duh... How else would CoOURRRRGHPOommunism sound like a good idea?

I'm here because I was banned from Reddit for speaking against fascism.

I'm really sorry to hear you burnt out and of your experience. Thanks for all you have done for threadiverse and tesseract. Hope you get a peace of mind after 31st.

Little of column A, little of column B.

I'm not in this picture.

What is the 3rd option here?
- sick of lemmy's shit but there's nowhere better to go?
  I came here when the reddit api thing happened, and have since blocked .ml because I don't want to deal with their shit. Problem though, the .ml admins are the lemmy devs, so using lemmy at all supports .ml and their bullshit.
  Where else is there? Hive is a crypto scam, and every other option I've seen suggested isn't like reddit or lemmy. I guess there's piefed, but I don't understand how that isn't just lemmy but worse/different (if someone can explain it to me please do).
Well why are you here
- I was born. It wasn't my choice.

hay, some of us were dutifully agitating for the cause!

But the moral of the story from the episode was that they were both necessary. Vital sub-components of one complete terminally online poster. You can't really have one without the other.

Why not both?

The bans are mostly meaningless these days tho. Its so easy to make a new account and bypass detections.

not on reddit though, much harder to bypass since they upped thier bannings and detection methods this year and recently too. the ones that are bypassing on reddit usually are using hundreds of account at once and earning some money from doing it. additionally they also are using AI to indiscirminately ban people.
- Its still super easy just search the web how to. Use a new browser window with new email on mobile network connection - its literally impossible to reliably fingerprint this.
- if you're using the mobile apps then yea you're fucked, don't do that

Aw shoot, we're the 2b2t of forums?

Depends on what they were banned for.

What's the point in dividing us?

Drama. Don't you want some drama? Here, have some drama.

Why after that not so much? I’ve only been using lemmy since and I didn’t notice a huge difference

Ohh an "I am holier than thou" posts!

I almost missed them.

Yeah, we are less good at toing the line and acting like NPC's, but some of us were banned for the opposite of fascism, you know? Really petty reasons such as telling a fascist "you first".

What about the ones that came here to avoid censorship elsewhere, but got banned here instead? Turns out lemmy.world and lemmy.ml don't like free speech.

'Censorship is when I'm not allowed to use the R-word.'
Just open a text file if you want to write whatever you want without dispute, the right to say what you want isn't the same as the right to be heard.
- Sounds like censorship to me. I'm from the old internet where if you didn't like what somebody had to say you ignored them. Current internet is far too soft and full of safe spaces which will ban anybody for the slightest offenses.
You got banned for talking about the government?
Edit: oh i see, you got banned because you're a homophobe and a bigot and an asshole.
That's not censorship. That's just people not putting up with your dumbass.
- You seem to misunderstand what censorship is.
Oh look, it’s the yellow/green person from the meme!
- I'm the guy that left reddit 10 years ago during the Elen Pao thing and never returned, moving from free speech platform to free speech platform. Putting up with literal nazis whom I did not in any way agree with because they were censored and banned while I was there for ideological reasons.
  We are not the same.
.world, from what I’ve seen, basically says “don’t be a dick or deny atrocities, which leads us back to point 1. Also no piracy.” .ml says “avoid criticizing Russia, china, North Korea, communism, communist figures, or cursing at our special little gremlins who will spew vileness at you entirely unprompted. But also don’t be a dick or deny atrocities, unless doing so interferes with any of the previously stated rules.”
I can’t see how you’d have a grievance with both, unless you’re moving politically rightward. Which I have strong opinions about.
- Don't give them any attention, they're just attempting to manufacture consent for .ml is all.
- ml says “avoid criticizing Russia, china, North Korea, communism, communist figures, or cursing at our special little gremlins who will spew vileness at you entirely unprompted. But also don’t be a dick or deny atrocities, unless doing so interferes with any of the previously stated rules.”
  If only! To be pedantic though, what Lemmy.ml actually says is:
  A community of privacy and FOSS enthusiasts, run by Lemmy’s developers
  and
  No bigotry - including racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, or xenophobia.
  Which (somehow?🤷‍♂️🤪) translates to what you said, except... no wait, it does not? Hence it says one thing (my quotes) while doing exactly the opposite (your quotes), in point of fact.
  On the other hand, there's the "trust me bro, i iz total1y relaibles" defense, otherwise known as "nuh-uh, I know you are but what am I?"
  Because while it is human nature to be wrong sometimes, it might be best not to actively wallow in it? (See also: Hexbear, Lemmygrad.ml, and some smaller ones such as midwest.social)
- Username checks out
- They can say they only ban for whatever reason, but then just ban for whatever they like to. Just don't disagree with them, or say something they don't like and you'll be fine. Yeah. I've got major issues with that.
.ml is probably worst, but World, gets touchey if you engage in politics that takes slightly effort to get banned on those communities.(especially involving around disputing israel/gazi related issues, like whos backing and funding it.