How could it all go so wrong?

I have no idea what any of this is about, as per usual

I have no idea what any of this is about
otherwise known as not being terminally online
"The evil fascism tankie are capitalist actually unlike me the anarchist, here is the political ball drawing soyjak, no I won't be elaborating on that. Attempt to argue? Nope, disengage and move on, I'm right you are wrong. " - the instance owner of Divisions by 0, a self proclaimed anarchist with a copyleft instance with love for AI.
- love for AI.
  Fucking of course. I really hate them so much.
- I have no idea what ur saying big dog, but if you could drop a link to whatever the source of the drama is that'd be sick
Saaaaaaame. Sounds like I missed some juicy drama.

Post Sectarian meme.

People disagree with my sectarian meme.

Back in my day, this used to be called flamebait.
- I'm old af and I absolutely hid that bait post as soon as I saw it. The person who posted it was absolutely looking for drama.
  Edit: I saw the post when it had one comment. I'm sad I didn't warn hexbears off from the start.

I think this person seriously believes that "Disengage" is just the magic "I win the argument" button.
- Many such cases

I need to point out that EVERY argument I get in when the other party is incredibly wrong, they get really semantic and make false claims about the other side being mean. Literally every time.

I see hexbearians asking for evidence of "ableism", with no responses.

Just for anyone coming in and needing context, the final exchange is here
- Are they saying it's victim blaming when they said the entire point of their post was to get people to argue?
  Or they are upset their own comm isn't getting moderated by other instances which they also hate because that's overreacting
- Lmfao
- 🌽🌽🌽
- bottom of the barrel cynical operator. i get this stuff can be fun for us but i would vote for defedding at this point.
- Holy shit what an ass

This shit is why I don't join in these "brigades" with other people. Reading those comments was like I just went to reddit. So smug, so ignorant, so proud of their own stupidity and lack of historical understanding, thinking that by plugging their ears and throwing a tantrum they are the "adult in the room."

I'm so fucking glad I never had a lib-anarchist phase in my journey to being an ML, I'd probably die of cringe at the thought of the dumb shit I would've said and believed.

These people are anarchist in vibes alone
- I know dozens of real life organized anarchists that are ideologically incoherent because they don't read and come from weird backgrounds, but they're still a million times better than any online sectarian anarchist because at least my real life comrades do stuff like work at shelters and hand out food
I had that phase, but thank god I never got the chance to express my political opinions to anyone but my equally stoned and ignorant teenage friends

the irony of him linking the "I'm a better anarchist than you" song, while literally their position amounts to being a better anarchist because they have the "correct" opinions on China, the USSR and Marx, and will not be swayed.

Everyone knows rationality and grounding one's beliefs in established facts as well as consensus among historians is authoritarian.
that is literally a satirical song about how you shouldn't be measuring yourself up against other comrades
- Yup, and saying that I actually organize irl as an anarchist was intended to point out that it how silly it is to declare people's politics based on a handful of lines of text online.
  I could have certainly been less snarky, but I'm not the one passing judgement on people as not being good enough anarchists.
  I was annoyed at getting called a red fascist yet again, this time for mocking the abuse of the disengage rule in clear bad faith.
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGu__oqMcKM

opsec is when you don't announce that you're dropping spicy bait and are "triggering" the hivemind in the same thread where you later accuse people of ableism and go

    
Chorus:
Disengage (x20)

disengage
disavow

This db0 person is the most exhausting online character I've ever encountered. They seem to enjoy having people yell at them. They enjoy it when there are circular arguments about nothing. They have nothing better to do?

They're by far the most insufferable online nerd I've dealt with. And who is doing sectarianism about the USSR now? Why? There are so many bigger fish to fry. There's an active genocide. There's a fermenting possible genocide in America with the concentration camps already built.

But this person has the mental bandwidth to worry about what the tankies are up to?

What's really weird, as has been demonstrated in some screenshots, is how they bait post so fucking much but then seem so upset and play victim when people take the bait. They are like a child who acts out for attention by deliberately trying to rile people and then cries when someone yells at them for it.
Edit: Regarding your question, I think they have a personal beef with local communists. iirc they are Greek and view the local communist party as a counterproductive relic of the past.
They certainly come across as trying to use their anarchism to minoritize themselves by talking about persecution from teh tankies as though they have any connection to the anarchists in the Spanish Civil War or other historical incidents. Why? I can't really say.
- I just realized I've been misgendering this person by accident.
  Yeah even if they have a beef with the local communists for being ineffective that's still a far cry from claiming the local communists will put them in a gulag. I don't believe they really believe that. If they do, that's unhinged. I mean it is true that most European parties with Communist or Marxist in the name are actually more like tepid social democrats and often have very elderly members with perhaps backwards social views. But that's not some intractable aspect of Marxist ideology but rather the result of 20th century anti-communism efforts in Europe. Also austerity, the actual CIA, and European reactionaries stoking up anti-immigrant bigotry among the working class. There are specific historical reasons why we've gotten to this point.
  It's purely magical thinking to believe there will be a repeat of the conflict between anarchists and Marxists similar to 1920s post-revoultionary Russia due to...some unspecific differences in political rhetoric or what? It makes no sense. The countries I'd say are poised to have conflict of a socialist character don't have an internal anarchist/Marxist conflict from what I'm aware of. Some examples of places I mean are like: Venezuela, where there are some anarchist communes that collaborate with the broader socialist movement. Burkina Faso, where I'm not aware of any anarchist movement or suppression at all. There's also Niger, Haiti, and Senegal that have recently had unorganized gang-like violence that I personally think resembles class warfare. Again, no specific anarchist/Marxist conflict from where I'm aware.
This db0 person is the most exhausting online character I've ever encountered.
That "masquenox" person is even worse imo, it's like all the worst comments ever posted on radlib reddit gained sentience lmao
- Yes, genuinely vile. Like distilled meanness. I regret going to read the thread.
- I enjoyed arguing with them because it really took very little time for them to take on full peasant brain "I do not care about evidence, this is a vibes only zone"
- I agree with LemmeAtEm's take on them, that person seemed like a troll trying to make anarchists look bad. Pretty much everything they said seemed almost deliberately crafted to make their own position as repulsive as possible. People like that quickly get sniffed out on Hexbear, but on an instance like dbzer0, where "hating tankies" is more important than actually engaging with any leftist ideas, people like that can easily ingratiate themselves and push the people there into believing the most stupid (and eventually hateful) things possible.
- Yep, they never seemed to engage with any of what FunkyStuff was telling them, just resorting to redditor-tier insults. Deeply unserious.
That is the most unproductive bs on the Left imo, I hate that it's so common here on Lemmy. People, stop constantly arguing with your comrades and do something to dismantle the system you claim to be agaisnt instead. It'll even be better for your health too :)

It was funny when he saw Diva mentioning she organized as some attack on him while he was arguing how she wasnt a real anarchist for having an ml account

For the record while I may be an influencer
I am not organizing attacks on anyone
- No organizing going on. Our “brigading” is a true manifestation of anarchic energy.
- Anti-grass-touchers when you mention that you touched grass: "This must be some kind of personal attack against me!"

I am once again out of the loop

No idea what this is about

Here's the original thread: TRUE COMMUNISM
it was clearly bait, but people responded in earnest
how it started:
two minutes later:
Example of something that isn't ablism:
"I don't want to be seen as conceding the point"
- bringing up Spain is such a funny choice. I just recently finished reading Matt Christman's ¡No Pasaran! and one of the things he repeatedly points out is that the sectarianism from the anarchist factions against the communists, while facing down the full force of the fascists backed fully by Germany and Italy, absolutely cost them the war. There is zero reason to fight someone on your side when the guys shouting "I'm gonna fuckin kill you" are bashing down your gates to fucking kill you.
- Ah, silly boring bullshit then. Glad I missed it.
- This is the first time I've seen people push back on the Spain thing, because our friend there is right that the way db0 characterizes it as some "stabbed in the back" story is truly ridiculous. Like, there are no shortage of stories around the world of much more credible transgressions by communists against anarchists, and the communications building in Spain is not one of them.
- Hell yeah. I made the screenshot.

It is my astute and reasoned opinion that carcosa is right and the other person is acting quite silly

(Can't even be bothered to read the explanations itt

carcosa is right
were you promised a crown and an empire?

mods this might be a metapost idk but if it matters at all I'm mostly posting because it's really funny that CARCOSA got banned, idrc about basedball as much.

- No, if you were going to post like db0, you would say that you don't actually care that much, that your opposition is the one who are mad, post a wall of text saying as much, while also insulting the level of intelligence of the person you are talking to, then end that post with 'disengage' thus abusing the rule.
  You can't do anymore damage to the rule than db0 has already done himself.
- hurt people hurt people
- I think making jokes about an important rule being abused for petty drama bait is good and funny.
BanSwitch2Buyers was immediately recognizable as DayOfDoom.
Is it the same person as based_ball? I wasn't paying close enough attention then.
- I wanna believe it is because it's funny, I think the only real similarity is the consistently weird posting style and the occasional music posts with "extremely online" music taste.
- wait wasn’t that Melina? wait are all 3 the same person???
  ah u know what nvm, this shits boring

Disengage

how dare you engage on my bait post

I hate how people are constantly accusing us of brigading because a post hit our /all page. If you don't want hexbear users in your comment section, then you should defederate. That's how the fediverse works.

Makes sense though. Just like on reddit when they can't understand why people from other subs would want to interact with posts

LMAO THERE'S STILL DRAMA FROM THAT THREAD?

and here i thought i was digging it up commenting about how another db0 mod banned me for telling them to shut the fuck up when they left a headline's scare quotes around "genocide" in when they posted it

Lib sub keeps on libbing

It's still going lol

Damn I go touch garden lettuce for a few days and I miss out on another flamewar?

Damn smh some people get to have all the fun

flamewar
You can't just show your age using a word like that
- Watch me

Is everyone here having constant offscreen adventures on the rest of lemmy? I haven't commented off Hexbear in over a year

Yeah I turned off 'all' so long ago, too many star trek and science memes filled up my front page. They all felt like reddit spillover memes. Plus my blood pressure probably improved not seeing the lib shit on my lib-free (everyone except me is a lib) instance
- To be fair, we have a pretty significant spillover from reddit here as well, like at least half of the posts I see on r/TrueAnon or r/ShitLiberalsSay or whatever eventually end up on Hexbear lol
- There's nothing more annoying than Star Trek loving chuds
Yeah, I barely interact with the rest of lemmy, this is my safe haven, I don't even try to interact with them
- I don't understand how anyone can stand it, it's like the worst of reddit had a baby with a dollar store version of 4chan
I'm most active on Lemmy.ml, but it looks like that is going to swing back to being more active here for a while. I go back and forth.
- I feel like despite these bait posts by banarchsits you still get through to a lot of people across instances. Many of your comments are quite enlightening and I've seen many come around to some form of understanding that what they think socialism/communism is was just bullshit they learned in history class and reddit.
  Please don't give up on these libs for they know not what they know

Palestinians are being exterminated in Gaza for almost two years now.

Palestine Action, the only Western org that's actually doing something to stop the genocide, has been proscribed in the UK, meaning anyone supporting them, including supporting them on social media, will be hit with terrorist charges for supporting "terrorism."

Some kind of King in Yellow I assume.

It's like the king in yellow, but it subtly becomes more and more like reddit until it is completely indistinguishable from it.

Mods seem a little permaban happy

We don't really have permabans, the usual policy is "take a break, make a new account, do better next time"
- I permabanned BanSwitch2Buyers this morning for being constantly problematic.

I don't know what this is about but I got my family a Switch 2 and it's not half bad.