China's foreign minister tells EU that Beijing cannot afford Russia to lose in Ukraine, media reports
China's foreign minister tells EU that Beijing cannot afford Russia to lose in Ukraine, media reports
If this is true, the EU better be figuring out how to change that price calculus for them.
Which makes me doubt an open admission actually did happen, since China would understand the possibility for blowback.
I used to joke that China wants to trade Ukraine for Taiwan, now it is very clear: you shut up about helping/recognizing/arming Taiwan and we keep a leash on russia...until next time...
China is clearly responding to EU leaders like Kallas saying China is next.
"Take on" is doing the heavy lifting in that whole video. It means dealing with all sorts of hybrid warfare on the part of China, like cyberattacks or funding Orban and far-right parties or taking on the cheap electric vehicles. It does not mean going to war with China. Even if you look at NATO's documents, it is referred to as a long-term challenge, not a direct threat.
Maybe.
To be clear this is an outlet for pro-Ukrainian propaganda with stories that have quite often never been verified or repeated. I get it, they're fighting a war for survival, but I still will take it with a grain of salt especially when it sounds unlikely.
This does not seem likely.
There has to exist a reason for Wang Yi opening some cards, but Kaja Kallas is not that reason. Wang Yi does not make uncoordinated statements and Kaja Kallas isn't attempting to achieve that either.
Somewhere in the CCP political bureau, it was agreed that Wang Yi will send this public signal.
The reason could be something in China, something in Russia, something in Europe or in the US. What is the reason? I don't know currently, but I'm not the only one solving this puzzle.
That is a startlingly weak position for China to be in.
I suspect the concern is that no one, including China itself knows how strong they would be in a military conflict, since they haven't been in an at scale conflict in living memory, using economic power instead to great effect.
If they are really wanting to violently assert their view on Taiwan, they want global attention divided.
It still baffles me how people manage to justify China's position on Russia. Sure it's "geopolitics" but if you take a look at domestic propaganda in China itself it's certainly much more than that.
Check out videos of what Ukrainians deal with while living in China - its down right disgusting how brainwashed Chinese are equating Zelenskyy to the likes of Hitler in Ukrainian's faces and thsse are just normal people in apolitical contexts like nurses in hospitals. It's absolute insanity.
That's just Chinese people in general on any subject. Anyone who's actually been to that country would notice pretty quickly that things are NOT OK. The Chinese population has never not known abuse and it shows.
I lived and worked in China for a year (Shenzhen). There was a palpable sense of brainwashing and/or an overpowering air of unhealthy patriotism there. Which made it stranger for me as I had Chinese friends and coworkers that seemed like decent normal people, we went to bars and drank and joked together. But whenever the topic of China as a country and its policies came up, everyone had a similar change in attitude and unwavering loyalty to the government.
I never felt that I was being targeted specifically, but I also never felt truly comfortable for a number of reasons. I’m glad I got to expand my horizons and experience a bit of what the country/city had to offer, I don’t think I would willingly go to live there again.
Implying that the US could be too focused on Russia right now to help Taiwan defend against a Chinese invasion sounds like wishful thinking considering how little they are doing to help Ukraine.
Well, they need to help Israel fight a multi-front war and commit genocide at the same time. That's more than just walking and chewing gum at the same time.
Sure you can.
Sure they can
True, they can demand Haishenwai and Outer Manchuria all the way to and including lake Baikal to help russia keep what it has stolen from Ukraine. Or else...geh fuck yourselves.
As a side note: there is speculation that China may be approaching a change of leader due to Xi experiencing health issues (not a change of leadership in the wider sense - the collegial system of the CCP is considered to be functioning).
Thus, it may be impossible for the Chinese foreign minister to be fully confident of what China's policy will be in the future.
Obviously, China views it as unacceptable for Russia (its ally and soon enough, practically its vassal) to all-out lose. (The easiest way to not lose, of course, is not starting a war, but that train is long gone and behind the hills.)
Prolonging the war does not eliminate this risk well, however - exhaustion could spread in Russian society and morale could collapse despite the state spewing its propaganda, or the economy could collapse. So, simply propping up Russia by letting them buy the goods they shouldn't be getting is not a very elegant solution. Direct interference on behalf of Russia would lead to open hostility with the EU, which is currently ambivalent about China.
What remains is nudging Russia to negotiate. But Putin is hard-headed and only willing to negotiate Ukraine's surrender, on terms which Ukrainians will laugh out of the door.
As for the US being able to focus on China, well I guess they're a bit concerned about it, but given the mental and organizational capability of the current US leadership, I don't think Chinese analysts are particularly worried.
Chinese foreign policy regarding Russia is unlikely to change under a new leader. Supporting Russia‘s war by continued trade while publicly calling for a diplomatic solution is a very comfortable position. They weaken the West while making Russia more dependent on them. All of that while getting financial advantages from importing cheap energy from Russia and exporting goods.
The posturing regarding Taiwan could change in tone, but fundamentally China‘s goals and interests are unchanged.
Things are going pretty well for China on many levels.
I only see news relating to General Zhang Youxia and replacing Xi Jinping with Wang-Yi in Indian news sites, is this related to their recent renewed support for the Dalai Lama out of the blue?
Hey well maybe that would have been a good consideration to make before tying themselves to the outcome by tacitly (and directly) supporting Russia for profit in the first place. When your fortune is dependent on the eradication of millions of people, by choice, you deserve to lose, and can go kick rocks for all I care. Slava Ukraine.
Ahh, so Trump gets his orders from the Chinoruskie empire...
Short notice that kyivindependent.com is certainly not neutral on this.
It's being reported by other outlets like the CNN and the South China Morning Post.
For now. Ideally they lose in a few years once China has a better position
You can count on tramp and his fascist toadies to lose their proxy war with China without a fight by refusing to acknowledge it until no asian ally is willing to resist or share intel out of fear of getting betrayed, like the EU and Ukraine.
5 eyes and 14 eyes are both falling apart
Wang's reported comments suggest that Russia's war in Ukraine may serve China's strategic needs as focus is deviated away from Beijing's mounting preparation to launch its own eventual invasion into Taiwan.
U.S. President Donald Trump, who has not managed to broker a promised ceasefire between Moscow and Kyiv, has long viewed China as the United States' main adversary and is predominantly focused on relations between the two nations.
Heys the only one that can negotiate a peace. On day one!
China has chosen to be the enemy the west and rules based order then.
tramp has chosen to be the enemy of the west and the rules based order, China's just been having a wonderful time flying under the cover of the daily orange meltdown since the clown show started.
PS: they don't even have to do anything, they just have to point at trump and say "democracy, you mean THAT?" And they'll be using it as evidence against the "chaos of democracy" worldwide.
rules based order
The rules based order is allowing genocide to happen in Gaza.
The thread is about Ukraine. I am all for the genocide in Gaza to stop but can you try not to hijack any post about every other conflict?
I don't see Xilly old bear and Puddin lifting any fingers, either. I guess they do agree on the US on something!
UN Security Council resolutions have demanded Hamas release the hostages taken. This has been ignored by Hamas and thus provided Israel with a reason to continue the war.
No, you're not understanding what is being said here. The west has always declared China the opponent and they'll take China on when they finish their other conflicts like Russia. The EU has consistently asked China to stop Russia. China's just saying the quiet part out loud. Who in their right mind would help you after you constantly called me a threat and told me if Russia falls you're coming after me?
Edit for those down voting me, here's Kallas saying China is next, the person China is talking to in the article.
The west has always declared China the opponent and they’ll take China on when they finish their other conflicts like Russia.
Always? Citation needed. After COVID, maybe? Or did it start with tramp in 2016, maybe sooner at the 2008 olympics? Certainly in 1993 that was not the case when China entered the WTO.
And of course: nearly nobody in the EU wanted to fight russia or spend more on defense until forced to open their eyes on russia's reinvasion of Ukraine in 2022.
TACO boy is playing right into the hands of Russia and China like a four year old wanting personal fame and profit.
World War 3 foreshadowing for the next season of the This Crazy Fucking Timeline show
Well, we are currently teeing it up.
I think we're already in it. A world war, as I understand it, is basically just a situation where a variety of alliances and tensions build up until when a war erupts in one spot it rapidly spreads around to involve a large number of countries world-wide. That seems to be the case already, you can easily build a Pepe Silvia wall-of-crazy showing all the connections between Russia and China and Iran and Syria and Israel and Hungary and Ukraine and Belarus and the United States and Taiwan and on and on. The actual shooting pew pew warfare is still relatively confined (though bear in mind that literally a million Russian casualties have happened over a thousands-of-kilometers-long front line riddled with trenches and minefields, which is pretty significant) but all these countries are throwing their weight in on those fights and it's easy to imagine them branching out quite quickly when conditions change.
I mean, yeah. Russia has been a Chinese vassal state since Covid.
Before they invaded Ukraine the 2nd time they had a fearsome reputation militarily and they had some goodwill in Europe (misplaced, but they were seen as misunderstood, not fascists), they had surplus resources to help their allies in Syria, Iran, etc and their weapons sold all over the world, so they were not a vassal state of China, they had lots of options economically, politically, militarily and were free to move about money/spies/etc. Now they have much less options...but maybe tramp will give them some in exchange for nothing...
What Confucious say about rainchecks?
any sociological doctorates in here? What does it say about the state of the ruZZian war, when chinas FM weighs in on their vision for the war?
Russia is hugely dependent on trade with China to continue the war effort. They have replaced western imports with Chinese goods, including parts for weapons. North Korea would not sell arms and send troops to Russia without Chinese approval either. China buys Russian oil and gas as well.
The Russian war effort is going well and looks like it will be sustainable for years while Chinese support continues.
Not just Beijing.
Maybe they'll choose a wiser position, next time. Their finding out stage of the Fuck Around, Find Out cycle does not constitute an emergency or any impetus for action on the part of the West
kyivindependent is a disinformation platform
How so?
I can't really confirm it's complete disinformation, but they always post stories that case Ukraine in a positive light and a lot of them are never confirmed or repeated elsewhere.
They are at war for their existence as a nation, so some of that is to be expected.
Can you do me a favor and come back with proof and sources I'd love to not believe in lies but I need evidence and honestly this makes sense to me. China is helping Russia, whether that's for their benefits or what benefits exactly is unclear to me. So this seems true.
Oh cool, a Russian shill. Fuck straight off.
Newspaper created just before the invasion, no physical copy, only posting online. Only through English, consumed primarily through American Online platforms and now has a presence on the fediverse. Nah mate, I'm not an Orc, I'm just not blind.
"Because that would be totally devastating to our plans for Taiwan."
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They don't have those plans. That's insinuated to distract from what the minister actually said and implied.
I have poined this out in the other post: https://feddit.org/post/15221478
This article is slightly misleading if compared with the SCMP article which has big implications on understanding the global power dynamics. Draw your own conclusions.
SCMP:
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3316875/china-tells-eu-it-cannot-afford-russian-loss-ukraine-war-sources-say
https://web.archive.org/web/20250704053134/https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3316875/china-tells-eu-it-cannot-afford-russian-loss-ukraine-war-sources-say
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It's subtle, but the attack on Taiwan is an interpretation. The minister means something else.
If the economic development continues, Taiwan will want to join China. Thus the focus of the US is interpreted differently by China, more like the focus Iraq or Afghanistan received.
SCMP:
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No mentioning of the “history lessons and lectures”, which is a friendlier way of saying that he has referenced past behavior that suggest that the EU is in the wrong.
There seems to be ignorance about what is going to happen even right at the top of the EU. The Chinese minister is calling bullshit. Yet Kallas must have already known better.
It's actually interesting! It means that there is a way out: If europe accepts to help keep the US out of Beijings business. I don't actually know how that could be done. And the EU doesn't have that kind of coesion.