Trump admin permits sale of device that allows standard firearms to fire like machine guns
Trump admin permits sale of device that allows standard firearms to fire like machine guns
Oh I think I know how this will end.
Remember gang, if your ID has an l, g, b, t, or q on it you qualify as desperately in need of guns.
I just wish I had a gay gun owning friend who could go to the gun store with me. I know what I want, I just like hand holding.
No need, seriously don't buy at a gun store. Buy online and ship it to your big box store FFL, and then go pick up there.
Well, crap, I'm not gay, but I'll hold your hand. :) What do want? That's the interesting thing about guns, there is such a VARIETY for different purposes. Self defense, home defense, small/medium/big game hunting are all completely different.
If I'm going to raise my Kinsey scale a point or two for just a moment, there's also the aesthetic to consider. I'm not ashamed to admit I've bought a gun that made me go "Ooooohhh".
For example, when my dad died one of the guns I inherited was this:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Standard_Derringer
And I'm like "Ok, that's adorable, but in .22 it's useless." Also known to be problematic. Sometimes only one barrel would fire.
But I liked the idea so I bought one of these:
https://www.bondarms.com/bond-arms-handguns/ranger-ii/
.45LC/.410 shotgun shells
The gay gun, like a ray gun. I think they sell it at sharper image
If you're in the Kansas area, hit me up, I'll go in drag if you ask nice lol
Every driver's Licence with daTe of Birth and orGan donor has LGBT on it.
The history on this is interesting
Trump banned bump stocks as a reaction to the Vegas massacre.
Then the supreme court ruled that unconstitutional.
https://www.npr.org/2024/06/14/g-s1-2929/supreme-court-bump-stocks
Now the trump admin is going to permit more things like the bump stock to be sold legally. Specifically, something that makes a semi automatic gun fire much more rapidly.
Would be a very Trumpian thing if he lost the civil uprising because of this decision.
This really wouldn't make a difference. It isn't hard to bend a coat hanger or drill a third hole.
Also, FRTs and bump stocks are really just range toys.
The Trump administration seems pretty confident these won't be used against them personally.
Well, they literally have a force feedback loop of propaganda aimed at themselves 24/7.
They think they own all 500 million guns in the US and they are all John J Rambo
That's a select fire switch which is a little different.
What this is about are Hellfire Triggers which are impossible to control. If you know what one looks like, you can make it yourself.
Please with the hysterics it’s not like anyone has ever done something like that before
Please add a nsfw tag or other warning to this.
All the other kids with their pumped up kicks
Sandy Hook 2 Electric Boogaloo. I can feel nothing but sorrow for the children of america's education system. Forget not Columbine, Sandy Hook, Uvalde, Virginia Tech, Parkland, Texas Tower, Red Lake, or Santa Fe.
“We were going to win this,” said the former senior ATF official. “These things are not like bump stocks."
Forced reset devices are actually exactly like bump stocks in that they're legal because they force a distinct action of the trigger for every round fired. The legal definition of a machine gun is a firearm that fires more than one round per single action of the trigger. They haven't bothered to amend or expand that definition, so these types of devices keep skirting by on a technicality.
I suppose the argument could be made that forced reset devices work in a very similar way to a machine gun's auto sear, the difference being that they act on the trigger of the gun rather than the hammer, but it still doesn't meet the government's own definition of a machine gun.
The ATF is a s terrifying joke.
Wasn't the bump stock banned by Trump after the Vegas shooting? Then unbanned under Biden?
Yes. Trump is not actually friendly to gun rights.
If he was, he'd be pushing to get the Hearing Protection Act (HR 404) and the Stop Harassing Owners of Rifles Today (HR 2395) out of committee and to the floor for a vote.
Biden wasn't friendly to gun rights either. I don't think most politicians are friendly to gun rights, since if they actually managed to expand them to what they should be, they wouldn't have any major issue remaining to campaign on.
Sure. But this isn't a bump stock. It's a forced reset trigger that was just unbanned.... Which is insane. It essentially converts semi automatic weapons to automatic weapons.
But it doesn't.
An automatic firearm shoots multiple bullets each time you pull the trigger, until you release the trigger; the trigger does not reset.
With most semi-automatic guns, you have a light spring that resets the trigger once you release your finger. A forced reset trigger (FRT) forces the trigger to reset. The FRT pushes the trigger forward, even if you're trying to keep the trigger pulled back. If you keep tension on your finger, as soon as it's reset, you're pulling it again. So, legally, you are pulling the trigger multiple times, because the trigger is resetting each time a bullet is fired.
Based on the way that a machine gun is defined in the National Firearms Act of 1934, an FRT is not a machine gun. The ATF can't re-write the law to say what they want it to say; that requires an act on congress.
The is compounded by the fact that Rare Breed ran the idea by the ATF before they went into production, and they have/had a memorandum from the ATF saying that an FRT was not a machine gun, and not subject to the NFA. After they had approved it, and *after Rare Breed had produced and sold a few hundred/thousand, the ATF raided Rare Breed, and also showed up at customer's homes demanding items that the customers had legally purchased (e.g., unreasonable search and seizure, a 4A violation).
Machine guns have been illegal in the United States since 1986, a notion that even gun rights groups have come to accept.
This is... Not true. The Firearm Owners Protection Act--among other things--made it illegal to transfer automatic firearms manufactured after '86 (i.e., "post ban") to non-police/military people. Machine guns produced prior to '86 that were already in the hands of non-police/military people can still legally be own and bought/sold. A pre-ban select-fire AR-15 will run about $30k+ these days.
Secondly, there are a number of groups and people still actively fighting to overturn the NFA as being a violation of 1A. There was a case out of the 5th circuit (?) not that long ago that points out the circular logic of the gov't in re: machine guns. E.g., per Heller, guns in common use can't be banned, and machine guns aren't in common use, so they can be banned. But they aren't in common use because they were largely banned by the gov't. The gov't created the condition of them not being in common use by banning them, and then used the lack of common use--due to the ban--as justification for the legality of the ban.
You see, this thread is where I first learned of the FRT (Forced reset Trigger), I had no idea such a device existed until now. The only device I had known before was the bump stock which is what I thought it was.
I get gun enthusiasm. Like, as a hobby. Those folks that hang out at the range are as nerdy as the folks that hang out at the model airplane club. This isn't for them. This is for the baddies. It's strange considering that Trump had a close attempt on his life involving a gun with iron sights. You would think he would want to be the last person involved in approving more effective people killers.
Before I read the article, I’m going to go with “bump stocks” as the device. Let’s find out if I’m right…
Nope although they do get a mention. Apparently in this case it's forced reset triggers. Saying they allow a semi-auto gun to fire like a full-auto is a bit of a stretch though, even more so than for a bump stock.
Yeah that’s such horse shit. You still have to pull the trigger.
Nice I’ve been wanting a FRT. machine guns aren’t very good for mass shootings. All your ammo is gone instantly and you’re way less accurate. It’s good for suppressing fire, and fun in the backyard. This is not going to lead to more gun deaths.
Let us not forget... an FRT doesn't even constitute a "machine gun" by their own definition!
I like how you are acting like most of us haven't played an FPS. The biggest difference is that there is no balance nerf between the damage an automatic bullet does and a semiautomatic bullet does. It's certainly leading to more gun deaths in Mexico, where a lot of these weapons are getting exported down to, although it is refreshing to act like school shootings still aren't a thing.
I fully expect for police to have to fear being "suppressive fired" soon enough, there are enough militant groups within the US that will enjoy the news, specially given the number of their members that were pardoned for Jan 6th.
Does this mean we can get one now in California? Or is this still not settled?
I’d like to know too in Washington state, I’m considering have an out of state relative buy one for me in the mean time
This will help his pardoned militia in 3 years
We might need those soon.
Just ordered one for my pistol. Will be a fun (and stupid) way to mag dump a drum.
In other countries they sell modified versions of these handguns that cannot be made into machine guns with a switch. This is the real solution, but for some reason gun manufacturers can do no wrong in the US and are not held to higher safety standards.
In Belgium, of all places, you can buy fully auto weapons from shops with just a collectors license.
Do you have evidence to support that? Because AFAIK, the Glocks made both in the US and Austria have exactly the same design. OTOH, in most of Europe, it's very difficult to get the appropriate license for a handgun, so it's largely irrelevant.
Glocks sold in Europe are designed not to work with switches. This is common knowledge.
"Glock is profiting by continuing to sell the adaptable version in U.S. markets, even as they make and sell handguns in Europe that cannot accommodate such a switch."
Do you have evidence to support your claims or should I just block you now?
Edit: A quick look through you comments shows you are definitely a gun nut. Hard pass on discussing anything with your denialist guns r gud mentality.
that means YOU can buy one too.
There are plenty of untrained idiots that will end shooting up a ceiling or the sky.
Good luck kids going to school in the United States
so you can turn a simi into a functionally auto rifle but you cant put a suppressor on it?
Eagle screech fades into high pitch whine
Hopefully it'll end with the ultimate irony.
Maybe if the ATF wasn’t so terrible and sloppy and did things that made sense and did things legally we could have some sensible gun laws.
It's not up to the ATF to make laws; congress is supposed to do that.
Also, "sensible" gun control is functionally no different from "sensible" abortion restrictions. If you want to fix gun violence, fix the problems that lead up to it. If you want to stop abortions, it's easier to teach factual sexual health and make sure that everyone has free access to birth control.
He hasn't antagonized the hoplophobes recently.
I'm sure kids that are still in high school, specifically, are overjoyed at the news.
Because why not?!
at least they haven't resticted sales to registered republicans...
Thank goodness, now I can defend my home against tyranny and people who look different than me with a pseudo-machine gun, just the way the Founding Fathers intended! (/s just in case)
I know how it won't end, and that's the device being deployed against the people who deserve to have it deployed against them the most.
and who is that?
Full auto weapons should be legal. Only idiots think full auto weapons are more dangerous. If someone is going to try using full auto during a crime all that will happen is the weapon will pull to the side and expend all it's ammo in a few seconds. There is a reason why the military changed to semi auto/burst rifles as the standard.
Hey cool, the magazine will be empty before people can get to safety!
The mag will be empty and there is no way possible that they hit anything that was being shot at. People that think fully auto weapons are easy to fire have never even seen one fired in real life. After 2-3 rounds it is already pulling to the side. They are not just inaccurate, they are impossible to shoot accurately.
