Touching grass... makes things worse?

not saying that this may not be true but in general i think Hexbears should be banned from posting studies done by Substack data analysts lmao
- there's lies, damned lies, and substacks
  
  Substatistics

Reminds me of the Will to Change and how it was stated in it that in pathriarchy peers will scold a boy into pathriarchal outlooks and norms if they try to steer away from them.
- Under patriarchy, gender is a prison and boys train each other to be the prison guards.
  
  gender surveillance culture is real.
- yeah, not beating the bounds of masculinity is itself gay, so you're pressured into calling random stuff gay. basically that's it, except replace "gay" with whatever is topical. the world is split into two anyway, with bicycles and gay people on one side and trucks and steaks on the other.
  
  I'm bi and like steak

Hegemonic patriarchy is maintained & spread through homosocial interaction. This is obvious when you certain cis straight men get comfortable enough to "air out".

going to play basketball with your
friends (if you're a boy, with high probability most of these other little treatlers are also boys) and bullshitting with eachother to see who can verbalize the edgiest insult in the group is not exactly touching grass, but I think is common enough that similar experiences could explain the difference
the belief that people of different sexes couldn't be friends without someone wanting sex (regardless of reciprocation) was pervasive when I was a young person and I expect people have only grown more attached to the illusion as time proceeds, so (at least in amerikkka) there's also this social pressure to congregate with people of the same sex when "hanging out with friends", which probably amplifies the effect
- bullshitting with eachother to see who can verbalize the edgiest insult in the group
- the belief that people of different sexes couldn't be friends without someone wanting sex
  this shit is so lame
  
  Why can't they just consciously recognize "I find them attractive and I totally would if they were up for it, but they aren't, and that's okay" and then let it go?
  
  Also self-defeating because if you never hang out with the opposite gender unless you’re trying to go for sexytime, you’re going to be bad at it. You need the low stakes experience first.
- the belief that people of different sexes couldn't be friends without someone wanting sex (regardless of reciprocation) was pervasive when I was a young person and I expect people have only grown more attached to the illusion as time proceeds, so (at least in amerikkka) there's also this social pressure to congregate with people of the same sex when "hanging out with friends", which probably amplifies the effect
  I am from europe and gen z and this was the case when I was young too. Hell even nowdays some people still believe that. I was called gay for simplying having female friends (I mean I am, but still a 10-year old doesnt really know that yet).

That makes sense I stopped hanging out with most of my high school friends after college because they were a bunch of chuds. Last time I saw something from their group chat somebody was unironically complaining about dei.
Turns out spending time with a bunch of chuds makes you think and act like a chud.
- and its the same mfers that complain about echo chambers

Another win for the loners

I know I shouldn't be surprised but these numbers are staggering. Even the group of buddies I grew up with, half of which have shitty opinions, wouldn't agree with this shit. I think there's something to be said on men challenging men on their dogshit beliefs or at least not sitting by silently that impacts this. To hear incorrect views without rebutting them and even to hear counter-revolutionary remarks without reporting them, but instead to take them calmly as if nothing had happened. This is a sixth type.

There's parts of the country that are so uniformally conservative that virtually the only way to encounter outside views is through the internet. Doubly so if you're a kid growing up sheltered by conservative parents.

I've heard that younger zoomers and younger are very gender segregated in social interactions. Friend groups are more singular gendered, parties will have less mixed gender conversations, etc.
It's possible that boys with a more active social life means they actually disproportionately interact with other boys more, while the online ones may actually interact with girls more, especially since lots more girls are in popular younger online spaces now like Tiktok and Roblox
- are very gender segregated in social interactions. Friend groups are more singular gendered, parties will have less mixed gender conversations, etc
  Hasn’t this not been the case for a long while?

I wonder if the sample size here makes the outcome statistically meaningful or not. It also depends on your friends. Show me their friends and I'll show you the person, right? I don't keep friends who think women are inferior or deserve less, and if that's in your friend circle, then yeah, of course hanging out with them is going to have an influence.
- usually your friend circle includes your classmates mostly. And every class has a few boys who believe girls/women are inferior.

CORRELATION DOES NOT EQUAL CAUSATION

The cis boys just need to transition. It would fix so many issues.
- Found Elle's account
  Dorley Hall convinced me that more leftists would read theory if there was a forcefem basement in it
- No, that's how you get another Łukasz Sakowski
  
  Those who know, know

So does this mean the influence of the manosphere is overblown? Or at the very least, that the discourse surrounding it has the cause and effect reversed; it doesn’t brainwash unsuspecting equity-minded young men into becoming chauvinistic, but rather young men who are already misogynistic flock to it to get their biases confirmed.
- certain men/boys get radicalized through the manosphere and then spread it through social pressure amongst their peers. And its not the "contemptuous" basement dwellers, who are already not compliant with patriarchal norms. A lot of "normal" attractive men with plenty of hobbies, success in career/schools and are absolute incel & chuds.
  The most reactionary shithead, I knew, was a toned tan surfer dude who was in the top percentile of high achieving students in our university. And that respect he gained from teachers and other peers, allowed to basically speak his filth uninterrupted and even the more "lib" students & teachers agreed/allowed him.
  
  Yeah I’m sure it happens. I guess it’s a question of, is it mostly “normie” kids seduced into manosphere bullshit? Or are these already misogynistic little shits and the manosphere is just giving them a structure for their chud mentality?
- yeah, what if it wasnt the internet all along but just baseline patriarchal men's "culture"

why 8th and 10th grade?

also seems like year of change is around 2018? with previous increase in support level in ~2012? so like economy doing good period (both not covid related or president related dates)
*grass seems to have no effect tbh
- i think there's some standardized testing that causes child sociology to cluster around a few years because you can correlate with them,
  8th and 10th in particular are also not-high school and high school

the fuck happened in 2018

8th and 10th grade
I'm not AmeriKKKan but isn't that like 12 year olds?
- 14 and 16
- 8th is 13-14, 10th is 15-16
  
  Oh lol, still young as shit.. I'd hope they'd grow out of it, but these days... not looking too good.

Gamergate was an illusion, the nerds are our allies against the chads!
- Nah its common in both. Not just Nerds.

CIS Male here. I think women should have more job opportunities than men and better pay.
- CIS? how's the blockade of naboo going?
  
  Two Jedi just showed up and I'm about to clown on them with poison gas and sicko battle droids.
  
  But where do Uzbekistan and Belarus fit in to all of this?

data is about touching boys , not touching grass ..
One has to read scientific data carfully.
- Hmm so that's why greek philosphers were so misogynistic

people who spend less time hanging out with moids are less likely to be misogynists
- what
  
  moids means men/boys. They're saying it isn't surprising people who spend more time with (other) men are more sexist. That men are a bad influence on other men.

Is this in opposition to what they are taught in school about the history of gender based oppression or in agreement with it?
Are the 8th and 10th graders agreeing with the sentiment the adults in their lives openly express or not?