What would you be willing to sacrifice for a better world?
What would you be willing to sacrifice for a better world?
Private property? Freedom of speech? Freedom to breed? Freedom of thought?...
What would you be willing to sacrifice for a better world?
Private property? Freedom of speech? Freedom to breed? Freedom of thought?...
We dont need to give up anything we just need change. Regulations are what keeps capitalism from killing us all and this planet. We have allowed deregulation to put us in this spot and its going to get worst.
Conservatives.
Every last person working to make it a worse world.
Out of the ones you listed, freedom to breed
For me that would depend on whether it's just my personal freedom to do so or all of humanity's. I didn't come to the hypothetical thought experiment question thread to not kill 8 billion fucking people.
Provided they don't touch freedom to not breed, and we don't put racist ducks in charge, I think that works be the easiest for me to bear.
But I don't want kids, so it's not much of a sacrifice.
The landlords.
There are a lot of them so it would be exhausting work to behead them all myself but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make
How much better of a world? I'd be happy with half of what I have if it meant literally everyone else in the world could have that much, certainly. Move 4 more people into the house and give up half the money, half the clothes, my car, of course I would do that if it brought the same level of wealth to every single person, it would be not great at first but wow can you imagine how fast it would get better, if nobody was terribly poor? I'd bet that by the time I was old we'd personally be better off than before the split.
Billionaires, to the god Quetzalcoatl.
I think we could sacrifice billionaires to Peppa Pig and it'd still get the job done.
even if one is your president?
Ehm... I'm not from USA... But since you ask, yes! He would be the first one!
Some billionaires
Private property isn't a sacrifice. I don't own any.
There's a difference between personal property and private property. Private property is a mall, is a factory, is machinery at your workplace. Personal property is your toothbrush, your Playstation, your Television, your blender, your set of German knives, your computer, your books, etc.
Freedom of speech has never existed. The illusion of it has been allowed to be stronger or weaker in various places at various times, if your speech is no threat it's often allowed, it's when it's a threat that suddenly the freedom vanishes and hides behind excuses like national security or illegal ideologies, etc.
I question how you would get rid of freedom of thought without some sort of hellish brain implants being made mandatory so it's an odd thing to mention.
I'd be willing to sacrifice an awful lot of fascists, reactionaries, and an awful lot of enabling liberals. I'd be willing to sacrifice bourgeoisie. The expropriation of their private property is not a sacrifice but a necessity for things being held in common trust for the people.
The trump family grifters and all their sycophantic (lookin' at you Lindsay Graham) enablers
my chains. i've nothing else to lose.
And then it got worse
I'd sacrifice social media algorithms. Delete them all.
A sacrifice is something you like and want to keep, but you're going to give it up for a higher good.
Also ban advertisements
No, not "algorithms" are the problem, but the capitalist who own social media and the algorithms on these.
Convenience.
Sadly it is something far fewer people are willing to give up than any of the above.
It really depends on the kind of convenience.
Some conveniences are easier to give up, especially if giving them up will benefit others.
Example: if we are willing to walk around with smartphones that are 5mm thicker and 50g heavier, and a bit less slick in design, we can fix them instead of buying new ones. This kind of things. And we are not even willing to give that up.
This guy speaks about this (I'm not sure if this is the right video)
the ability to lie and "falsely claim".
imagine everybody is stricken with that boy's wish from "liar liar"
sure there would be a bunch of hurt feelings, but maybe the better world can compensate?
A better world would imply that its better even when considering the sacrifice, meaning that any sacrifice would be worth it
I mean, in an overall sense yes, but that's like saying climbing Everest is easy because on average the world has very little elevation change.
Burger King's Chicken fries
I don't particularly want to be remembered for anything in my life. I don't need fame or standing. I dedicate my life to trying to improve people's lives as a teacher. I'd give my life if it meant everyone would live a significantly better life forever.
It won't be a better world if there's no private property or freedom of speech or freedom to breed or freedom of thought.
The instant these freedoms are forfeited, the world becomes worse.
No private property = better world for everyone (bourgies dont count)
If you're not free, the world isn't free.
It's hard to imagine a world with no freedom of thought being better, somehow.
In practice, I doubt we'll ever have to sacrifice much more than we already have. (Which is actually a significant amount. For example, until recent history living on a schedule was for ascetics and flagellants)
How much better we talking here?
Super better. All the important stuff free and top quality. Moonbase.
I'll let you have my cats but you have to take both because they're family. And I get to visit.
I think we have more fundamental things to worry about than the cost of stuff.
Vanity projects.
Private property. I don't actually want to own things for the sake of owning things, I want a stable and reasonably comfortable life. In the current system, the only way to reliably achieve that is to own the things you need in your life. But if the system were such that you could live a decent life without owning a thing, I'll take that.
And that is with the interpretation of private property as literally any possession you can own. If we go by the socialist interpretation of private property as property used to generate capital, I already have no private property and neither do most people here.
Private property for sure, as I don't have any.
Freedom of speech too, as I don't have any.
Trump.
Edit: QuarterSwede beat me to it, so I'll go for Musk as a close second.
Trump.
Not really a sacrifice if it's something you don't want
Depends on your definition. It’s called a play on words.
This one.
My car and my motorcycle. The motorcycle in particular hurts a bit more because that leans more into the sport and pleasure (cars do it for me too, but I like the MC more). I live in the US so no decent public transport for me. I'd have to walk about a half mile to get to the closest stop to my house. Closest drop off to my work still means another walk of two miles. Side walks are a bit lacking too. Not to mention that the scheduled for the bus is a bit too limited for what I need.
I love driving for fun, in particular on the MC, but that is getting to. Having to? That sucks and is kind of bad for the environment.
Sometimes I sit down and muse about the great world we could create if everything was owned by the state, only approved speech was allowed, if only the best people were allowed to reproduce and everyone was only allowed to think approved thoughts. Like to get my Utopia I am even willing to subject an innocent child to a life of constant suffering and misery...
everyone with a net worth of over $1 million
though i would do that for air miles tbh
emotionally, i want to say any and everything including my life, but i know that is merely talk until i have something deadly to face. however, i truly believe there isn't a single human rights issue not deserving of risking it all. but i am cowardly because i am fearful and insecure. i don't believe in myself although i try to. i have given up personal comforts for those i don't know and my friends, but am i ready to face something as severe as prison or being sent to a camp? i want to say "yes, of course," but.. idk. i know if our culture became more radical and revolutionary then i would feel ideological support from those around me and would be more willing to engage.
Freedom to Breed. Easy for me, because I don't plan on having kids ever and I don't really think it is a good idea to be having kids if you're unable to sustain them much less, yourself.
If a better world means we have to limit the amount of people we bring in here until everything chills the fuck out, so be it. There is absolutely no reason or benefit to bring in 3 - 12 kids at a given.
Freedom to Breed may not necessarily mean that you may not have any kids. It might also mean that $amount of kids is mandatory, though...
Nothing because there is nothing guaranteeing the better world would remain intact.
I'd give it 3-4 generations...
Low taxes when I become a billionaire
Do you build your public order and happiness buildings first in total war games?
I don't think a better world would include sacrificing those freedoms actually. That's some tankie shit.
Me sitting in a tank: "hand over your freedums, in exchange you get freedom"
Would you sacrifice your flesh? No more body. Brain slurped out at birth, wired up to the internet.
Probably not, that sounds dangerous
You’re not doing a very good job of selling it, but the concept has merit.
Would you sacrifice your sex hormones? No more estrogen or testosterone.
take it, pls