Gotta keep those CIAnarchists in their place!

Why the heck are there tankies in c/Tankiejerk?
- Because non-Tankies generally aren't ban-happy power trippers who can handle criticism, even done in bad faith, unlike the .ml admins lol
  
  I meant more like: Why are there so many tankies in a comm meant exclusively to make fun of them? Like for example I'm a devout Muslim and I don't go pick fights in c/atheistmemes even if I probably won't get banned for it.
- They were lured in by the promise in the name
- You really don't grasp this whole federate thing right?
  
  You clearly don't grasp the whole "don't go where you're not welcome" thing, right?

This meme format gets me every time

Hate to say that and sound like a tankie but the human rights framework does have a bias. The human rights court has the reputation to mainly work in Africa and overlook the violations done by the west. Which doesn't annulate human rights violations by authoritarian states of cause but it's good to be aware of this baggage
- When most leftists say 'human rights' though, they mean the general concept, not international institutions.
  
  True. At the minimum, it's a good way of agitation. Telling a stranger "housing is a human right" for example will pull more people into your movement than telling them "rights are a bourgeois concept and written law (as opposed to community mediation) will never be just but always reproduce existing hierarchies"
- Absolutely true but the problem is that this just fundamentally isn’t a rebuttal to accusations of human rights abuses by countries tankies support. Those still happened and defending them is just as bad as nationalistic chuds who think the US or Israel did nothing wrong.
  So at best it’s whataboutism, which might be at least slightly valid if leftists refused to criticize western powers. But, y’know, we are one of the main groups that does that…
  
  I guess I wanted to dialectically both reject and embrace human rights and failed on the second part. One tankie argument I get is that it's more revolutionary to criticize your own government than others but I never got why not both. While rejecting Russia's war of aggression, I focus my activism on my government's climate politics and racist police and foreign policy well knowing that Russia and the US are both worse in these regards.

true but sometimes the CIA also human rights :(

The CIA would never make something up, they've got a spotless track record
- The credibility of the CIA is not the issue here. No one thinks they’re credible. But y’all treat the CIA as if they unilaterally control every event on the entire earth. It’s absurd.
  Yes, the CIA lies and commits atrocities. But that doesn’t mean every historical atrocity by the Bolsheviks or the CPC or whoever was invented by them. There’s plenty of blame to go around.
- Cuba, Vietnam, China, Venezuela, the USSR. These are some examples of a lefty functional model of government.
  Fuck off, tankie.
  
  Dude this is some of the most obvious sarcasm that's ever been written on a website
- This is how alarming online indoctrination has become. There are apparently plenty of those who don't know this is obvious sarcasm. These people are too far gone and need to hand in their internet badges and internet guns, and go on a vacation to the front door.
  
  It's clearly sarcasm, but the implication is that the human rights violations leftists complain about really are just CIA propaganda.
  
  What are you saying exactly? I imagine they are downvoted because the implication is that tankies are correct that leftists who raise concerns over human rights are CIA plants. I can't imagine anyone thinks this earnest.

The CIA would never engage in propaganda on Lemmy haha lol
- No need, plenty of people repeating it for free