Fuck AI with "Fuck"
Fuck AI with "Fuck"
A magical word.
Source: https://mastodon.online/@gardiner_bryant/114309539375105773
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I'm more surprised that people still use Google search at all after the years of enshittification — first the SEO crap, then "personalized search" bubbles, and finally the "AI" idiocy. Even shouting questions down a wishing well seems more productive at this point.
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Not to sound confrontational, but you're way too focused on your - likely rather advanced - usage.
90% of people search for very simple stuff. They want to know the weather or want to know about that new movie they don't quite remember the name of. And for that use case, Google is perfectly serviceable. And since people are used to it, for example by it being the default on most platforms, they use it.
A lot of market leaders are objectively a bad choice, but they're a known brand. Coca cola, McDonald's, Oracle, etc.
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I don't think you sound confrontational, but neither do I consider my internet searching particularly advanced. A lot of my searches are exactly what you describe, and a lot is trying to find a good research rabbit hole to go down. Call me curious.
I'm just sceptical, primarily of Google Search's inroads into surveillance monetisation and effective monopoly. For the same reasons I am as critical of the other "market leaders" you mention; I don't consider the ability to inspire brand loyalty in millions of consumers to sell crap products a quality 🤷
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google is perfectly serviceable
I would go even one step further. For dumb little things like a movie or song you can't remember, or a factoid to win an argument amongst friends the AI summaries are really helpful.
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Google, Bing, DuckDuckGo, etc all suffer the same problems. I’d love to hear other alternatives (and I don’t mean alternatives like searx that is little more than lipstick on a pig and proxies search results from said engines).
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DuckDuckGo is just Bing wearing a duck hat
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Mojeek https://www.mojeek.com/
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There's nothing perfect. I use Kagi which uses many other indexes including Google, but with a focus on "small web" results and no ads or mandatory AI nonsense.
...but it costs money.
Well worth it in my opinion. My results have been better than Google for me, and I've been using it for like a year now. Highly recommend.
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How is DuckDuckGo shitty? It suits me fine.
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I daily DDG but !g bang out to Google 80% of the time
Hit the back button once this month though - DDG was better than Google!!!
Has only happened twice I’ve noticed in a year!
DDG, pls use my data to be less terribly terrible (and stop rearranging results, as reported years ago)
PS: will get Kagi once I find a job cuz too lazy or something to get into SearXNG properly like I should. And Mullvad’s got Leta btw which like bundles searches for privacy
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It's like the fucking 90s all over again but for completely different reasons.
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Brave uses their own index
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well there’s european based search engines like marginalia-search.com (but it mainly uses keywords, but has search filters at the bottom of the search result) and stract.com (which is in beta), I’d like to see if there’s more tho
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Google supports searching "specific phrases", -excluding_words, +ensuring_keywords, and whatever * is. I havent found any other indexers that allow me to make use of searches with that level of detail, which is often the only way you can find specific things these days.
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Duckduckgo does plenty with its advanced search operators, which are pretty similar to Google's. * is a wildcard, meaning if you were to search c*y, results word return something including a sequence beginning with 'c' and ending with 'y', but having any sequence of characters in between them.
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Pretty sure Yandex at least allows for all of those search operators. As far as meta search engines, basically anything that uses google's results like Startpage will also likely support them.
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Left out shadow banning raw footages on YT while front page promoting the same footage with heavy edits and narration that lied about what happened ('see no resisting'). -Leading to riots, increased racism, civil unrest, anti-cop sentiment, innocent lives, jobs, and property lost, etc. All to distract us from a racist genocide they support.
Yandex is the only search I'm aware of that passes tests (using verifiable facts) on the subject. -Grok the only AI.
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Is Kagi still good? If not, what engine should I use?
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So, this is not a proper answer to your question. (The closest I'd give there, personally, is DDG, Qwant or Ecosia, all with their own caveats). But, I've been evangelizing a bit in favour of helping Mwmbl develop further.
Basically, it is an attempt to do for search engines what Wikipedia did for encyclopedic knowledge. It's still basically just a dream with an interface that's experimental and a search index still being built, currently seemingly bottlenecked by available (monetary) resources.
Oh, and a matrix community, where the actual community work seems to be happening.
But even though it's an infant with not that much more than a dream at this moment - I think their project shows promise, in audacity to challenge search engine giants alone, if nothing else. Currently, I am using it as my go to "first search" search engine, helping with curating results if possible (although, truth be told, in the past weeks most searches did not give anything useful at all). I also have the index building web crawling script running on the same server as my Fediverse instances - but there is also a firefox extension for more casual volunteer crawling without a cli script.
I can't sell this as a "proper" search engine, but still, am happy in evangelising it to anyone interested in supporting what tries to become a proper, open search engine not just on FOSS software, but FOSS principles.
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I've had really good success with https://www.qwant.com/ and with https://www.startpage.com/
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Yeah kagi is still good. I've been using it for a while and am very happy.
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Kagi is great if you have the change to spare.
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just tested, works well. fuck
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Sounds like it’d be a worthwhile browser extension to insert that into every search.
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Sudo apt install thefuck
No wait
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Huh, these are not the Laurel & Hardy films I used to watch ...
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Yeah, but that, uh, also alters her search results.
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-fuck
Seems to still work and not affect the search. In my limited testing that is. If this keeps working someone just needs to create a extension the auto adds -fuck to all searches.
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But what if I don't want to exclude "fuck?" That would filter out half of my code comments
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Good luck searching for porn with that exclusion.
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There's extensions that allow for regex rule based redirects, you could easily use them for this purpose.
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It definitely changes the results. I tried it for a while and the results I was getting were much worse than usual. I changed it back and the AI bullshit came back, but the rest of the results also improved dramatically.
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Seems like more work than installing ublock origin and using duck duck go.
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Works. DON’T TELL ANYONE OR ELSE THEYLL FIX IT.
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OMG it really does!!!
Fucking cheat code!
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This is gonna be fun
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Fuck it works pretty well too
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Or you could just...stop using Google?
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I suppose we can empirically test that. Time to fuck around and find out i guess
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Fuckin A
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Fuck!
Ok so I will do that going forward...
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Fucking great
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let's hope this stays our little secret
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Fuck me. That actually works.
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Well, that certainly illustrates the diversity of the word.
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You and your fucking rope
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I get around it by using Qwant
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Not using Google is also an option. Especially when alternatives are better now.
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This is magic!!!
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Also, depending on what you're searching for, this could occasionally provide results which were not what you were expecting. Sometimes better than what you were expecting, sometimes much, much worse.
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