The Left Needs to Move Beyond Bernie Sanders.

Bernie is the only leftist in the Senate. So until that changes it will be impossible to move beyond him.
- We need a progressive takeover of the democratic party. The MAGAs tranformed the republican party in what 10 years?
  If we have midterms it has to start then.
  
  Probably won't happen. The DNC are conservatives and the majority of the US is too. Most ppl are too dumb/uninformed to see left leaning politics is what they actually want
  
  *The Koch Brothers et al. used their vast wealth to transform the Republican Party in 10 years.
  The biggest problem the left faces is that money is required for any political action in the U.S., and there is no money for the left. No billionaire will fund 50501, or Our Revolution, and in fact they'll gladly spend several million dollars defeating leftist primary challengers and suppressing news of protests.
  Our political system is hopelessly rigged. There is no longer any way to use it to save ourselves.
  
  We have to organize at the community level and do it without all the shadowfunding the fascists have.
- I think the language is funky. They're saying beyond, like take his ideas and go even further, not move away from Bernie. They want more and better of him.
  
  Luigi, because Bernie was our compromise.
- Reading the article, the argument is that Bernie isn't left enough, and more radical candidates need to be run in primaries.

Almost like some sort of grassroots 3rd party that is literally too radical of an idea for you fools in this community who argued Biden (and Harris) was somehow more leftist than Obama.
- Yes, let's lose worse.
  Without ranked choice voting, the only option is to fix it from within.
  
  RCV is not something the two party system would willingly allow to occur in enough states to matter, and it's not a base requirement for a 3rd party to succeed.
  Pakistan doesn't have RCV, it took them 20 years which included a 10 year military dictatorship and 10 years of faked paper ballots and miscounts. No way the US would need more than that considering we don't have massive issues involving voter fraud.
  I'm sick of people disregarding 3rd party with what is essentially a flawed argument of the two party system used to convince people 3rd parties are impossible.
  You would be surprised at the amount of increased turnout from the nonvoters group that would gain wins in an FPTP system despite the disadvantage.

Centrists need to stop telling leftists what to do and what is good for them or they're going to keep on losing elections.
- It's not coming from a centrist in this case: the article is written by someone who argues Bernie is insufficiently left.

Bernie is the left's most effective advocate in the US and we need more of him.
- We need more like him
  
  Yeah, but also I think a Godzilla sized Bernie Sanders could do a lot of good.
  
  Exactly, I love Bernie, but he's old. Of a new generation of young progressives don't establish a foothold in the senate change will not happen.
  Ot at least not through peaceful means.

No, the left needs to study Bernie and take notes. Then elect politicians exactly like him.

A new party is needed. Be done with the garbage that we currently have
- So, you think the same people who couldn't get past the DNC in 2016, 2020, and 2024 are suddenly going to be able to create a party in less than 24 months?
  I'm not going to hold my breath
  
  Gotta start somewhere.
- Like this? www.huevosparty.com
  
  No, like a Mario Party.

this is basically saying, we are currently at -10, Sanders is at +3 and we need to jump to +10 right away. Not gonna happen unless through civil war.
- More of a revolution than a civil war.
  Despite all the maga bots online. There are very few die hard maga in real life.
  And I realize that most of the military is Republican.
  However. Trump has been fucking over the Vets pretty hard.
  He also has removed a lot of the military's top leaders. People who the military personnel respected.
  Surely this is going to start eroding the military personnel's loyalty.
  But then I also remember how Republicans have consistently voted against their own interests.
  And how many people in Russia are against the Ukraine war because they have friends and family in Ukraine. And their soldiers keep dying.
  Yet...they are still following orders to attack.
  Things are so uncertain.
  But if the American people have to literally battle anyone in our own country it's going to be us vs our military personnel.
  And they have weapons and training.
  Our only real chance is using our intelligence over force. and our decentralized leadership is a strength. So one specific leader can't be targeted and disrupt the movement.
  Basically guerilla warfare. Targeting propaganda, military resources, factories that manufacture weapons, and imports. And a priority is Trumps secret police force. ICE.
  Because they are removing people who would stand with us. Taking away our resources.
  We need to target their communication systems.
  There is a few ways that can be done.
  Physical disruption or by overloading their systems with inaccurate information.
  Of course many of these targets potentially negatively affect the civilian combatants too.
  We have to really plan this well. Be strategic.
  We need to start preparing for this possibility though. Now. Right now.
  I hope we can do this the legal way and get him arrested.
  But if not, then we will have to consider plan B.
  Every day we move closer to B. Already we are seeing more effects by vandalism of Tesla's. Vs judge orders.
  I personally hold not only the 10 Dems who sold us out. But every single Republican who voted yes on the CR too.as well as voting in unqualified department heads.
  The representative dems and Republicans who have not stood up to him.
  They also are just as responsible.
  The judges who have allowed him to continue his obviously unconstitutional activities.
  Every single person in Trump's cabinet.
  They will all be held accountable for their actions when this is said and done.
  We won't forget. They are traitors.
- Republicans were at -3 pre 2016 and they've ratcheting up to -10 pretty quickly. If you have a good charismatic leader that the base falls for you can drag the rest of the party along to the edges of the Overton window pretty quickly.
  
  If you have a good charismatic leader that the base falls for
  ...the party's geriatric republican-lite leadership will ratfuck them out of the primaries.
- So what are you waiting for? Take a rifle and don't come back until "it's over over there"

No.
The Left needs to get rid of fucking Schumer.
Let Bernie retire, because the man was there for the signing of the declaration (pretty sure his signature is just below Adams's.)
Let the man retire. Get rido f the Quaislings that seem content to be ineffectual opposition.
Do stuff other than beg the base for money and give people somethign they can be involved in. Start looking at community efforts. Build ties at the base's own level so the base SEES the Democratic party Doing stuff locally that HELPS them.
- I mean, that's basically what the article is saying, too. Just a lot more detailed, with a lot more research and evidence to support their assertion.
  
  Always good to have facts backing up what was already a 'known.'
  Schumer has turned the democratic party into a top down mess that is ineffectual and will continue to be ineffectual because nobody expects the Democratic party to be able to do anything, and for that to change there needs to be a bottom up restructuring.

This article is not what we need right now.

I believe the left needs to start listening to Sanders. This man is a genuine champion. He, for decades, has been shunned by his colleagues, and yet he has never wavered in continuing to fight for all of us. I wish I had a fraction of the courage this man has.
- Bernie is like the only leftist rep. You mean the center-right needs to start listening to Sanders.
- Bernie has many good ideas, but listening more to him won't get you anywhere. I'll just copy paste another comment I wrote about this:
  Just voting for progressive candidates won't fix things. I don't know if there was any point where that was enough to fix things, but if there was it definitely isn't now. Therefore, Bernie—who did not, does not and will not recommend any method of resistance beyond simply voting—is incapable of leading a progressive movement. Bernie and politicians like him need an independent progressive movement behind them to win elections; if you put them in charge of the movement they'll sit around doing nothing for most of the year.
  The US progressive movement needs real leadership willing to take action (and occasionally get their hands dirty) and it needs it fast.
  
  Yeah what does Bernie know about getting his hands dirty?
  https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/02/20/bernie-sanders-civil-rights-1963-arrest-photo-smerconish.cnn
  
  Who would be best suited then? I genuinely would like to know, because I feel like there isn’t anybody right now.

we can't get more than what sanders wants if we can't even get what sanders wants
- Yep, article is well meaning but dumb.
  Idealism is great, but politics requires pragmatism. Which is why people like AOC and Bernie (who are well left of Kamala politically) still told voters to vote for Kamala in the election - she was the only way to avoid Trump, she was the pragmatic choice.
  But apparently we'll be discussing why it's a dumb idea to be a protest voter in a very close election for the next four years non-stop.
- Surprisingly, It's sometimes easier to do big things.
  For example: Do social security instead of tinkering around the edges of the existing retirement system.
- So, would you then say "we can't get more than what Kamala wants if we can't even get what Kamala wants"?
  No.
  
  harris had dick cheney's endorsement and wanted nothing more.
  
  besides the genocide, Id agree with that yes

Sanders is the american Jeremy corbyn and if it looks as though he might get near to power, the establishment will take him out, smear him and try to remove him from politics and the democratic party, just as they did corbyn.
They used the excuse of antisemitism in the labour party, which was total lies, he's the most stalwart anti-racist in UK politics and has been for decades. His record speaks for itself. He's still barred from the labour party now.
- Couldn't insult Corbyn any harder
  
  I'm not sure what you mean, but I seem to remember corbyn and sanders were friendly and spoke at the same demonstrations etc. For a while there it seemed we would have decent politicians running things on both sides of the pond.

there wont be anyone like sanders or aoc,, and all other imitation dems turn out to be shills for the gop.
- i.e. Fetterman.
  
  When the party supported him instead of pulling funding, it should have been clear that he was lying about being a progressive.
- there isn't, but there can be

The sit out centrists need to vote

Sanders has been saying that longer than most of us have been alive...

I agree with a lot of this article, but it doesn't really acknowledge the reality of the Democratic leadership's obstruction. The party is, generously, a slightly left-of-center organization that prioritizes stifling their own left wing over defeating their far-right opponents. They've successfully held off two of Bernie's presidential runs, redistricted Bowman out of his seat, and Pelosi has spent so much time and effort undermining the squad (and AOC personally) that it borders on pathological.
I agree with a lot of the criticisms of Bernie in this article, and beyond that, he's just too old to be in the Senate, much less the standard bearer for the entire left, but the Democrats have spent decades making sure there's no viable alternative. We need to move past Bernie, but we need to build an actual progressive movement that can get past Democratic obstruction to do that, and for now, Bernie is still the de facto leader of that movement.
- They're center right at best, they dont advocate for workers solidarity and actively distract workers from unity. They demand compromise with capitalists yet give the workers nothing. They are only left wing in social policy, on economics and governance they are fascism lite.
  
  Even on social policy they have to be coaxed into it by a large activist movement and they'll ditch it if the Republicans make too big a stink
  
  Well, there's a reason I said, "generously," slightly left-of-center. It also depends on the Democrat. There's enough of them that care about labor to get the PRO Act through the house, but not the Senate. I don't think it would be unfair to call someone like Gary Peters center-left, given his strong pro-union track record, but someone like Schumer or Pelosi, who are squarely on the side of Wall Street and big tech respectively, are just conservatives masquerading as left-leaning centrists.

Fuuuuck you. I've been hearing more and more from Democrats saying you better get the fuck on our boat, like this is some kind of cult and not a political party I'm tangentially associated with.
The best part about this country is no one gets to tell me a goddamn thing. You don't get to tell me "forget Bernie!" because fuck you, I'm an American and I'll hold out hope for as long as that fucker is alive, especially so when we live in a time when we're electing people well into their 80s to political power--and he's still within that strike zone.
Don't like it? Then let's talk about maximum age for service and term limits. But until we do, literally shit into your hands and eat it.
- Read the article, you agree with it

We need more like sanders. Fuck the democrats. I want independents and I want all those who aren’t on board with the Democrat party to recognize it’s time for a change. Especially now in this time of rebuilding while conservatives are in power.

Bernie should be running "here's how to run for office in your area" drives on his oligarchy tour. The only way progressives will kick out corporate democrats is by the common person running more. Bernie should be pushing more people to run instead of just getting up on a stage in front of people and being a politician. He's not a good organizer. Great talker. Horrible at getting people out to vote. Dude couldn't even get enough people out to vote in the Democrat primary in 2016 to defeat Clinton. She beat him by a larger voting margin than Trump won by last year.
- Oh no, every fuckin person In line to vote with me just said they were voting for Clinton because they were told he couldn't win. Everyone agreed with him yet I couldn't convince the 20 people in line that if we all voted for him it could all work. The dnc did him wrong, the media coverage wasn't great (never is take that as it is), and people thought Clinton was a shoe-in. I dont disagree with your statement for teaching people how to run, but don't disregard how the dnc didn't want him there at all.
  
  The DNC definitely didn't want him there. But the RNC didn't want trump. Trump was able to convince voters to vote for him despite him being a long shot candidate. Bernie wasn't. Bernie, if he was a better organizer, would have been able to convince more people to vote in the primary either to outnumber the people who voted for Clinton or convinced the Clinton voters to change to his side. Obama was someone who was able to convince voters to come out and vote for him in the primary and was able to convince Clinton voters to switch sides. Again, Bernie couldn't.
  I also think a core part of this is just him running for the nomination for the Democrat party despite not in fact being a Democrat. I had many people around me who also agreed with him but voted for Clinton because he wasn't a Democrat and obviously only wanted to be able to be a part of the party when he needed them as opposed to always being there.
  I personally think if Bernie had always been a part of the Democrat party he would have had an easier time convincing enough people to switch to his side. It's not like he needed a blowout to win the nomination. This is also why I think someone like AOC would have an easier time running for the nomination since she is and always has been a Democrat.

Yes, and no. Yes, we do need to move beyond him and seek out fresh, new voices. No, because we still need him to provide his own opinions while he is still here. We can have both.

Sanders works with democrats while voters paint democrats as evil. If you love Bernie then ask yourself why does he keep such company? Vilifying the dem party ain’t helping and your Bernie recognized that a long time ago. What are you accomplishing ?
Something needs to change either people pull their head out of their ass and cut this shit out, or they get better at shit and stop it. But wtf
- Because that’s the only way he can even begin to accomplish any goals. What’s the alternative? Working with Republicans what the fuck? The only way anyone can accomplish something in a two party system is to try to work with one of the two parties. Do you think he would have any better success with the Republicans?
- Move left and we'll quit correctly pointing out that your party is shit on purpose.
- One of Bernie's biggest flaws is that he's working with the Democrats.

Trash article.
Their foreign policy criticism of Bernie is that he told people to vote for Kamala, and she didn't do enough to stop the genocide in Gaza.
Like Jesus Christ, people like this are why the Democrats cant win.
- She indicated that she would continue biden's unquestioning and unconditional support for netanyahu's genocide.
  You can make your point without downplaying genocide support.
  
  Oh please do go ahead and tell me how much Trump is doing to stop that.
  Oh what's that? Nothing?
  Are you saying that it was fucking obvious everyone should vote for and endorse Kamala?
  Jesus fucking Christ, anyone who didn't support Kamala was dumb as fuck. Full stop. If your criticism of Bernie was that he supported the obvious lesser of two evils then maybe you deserve the president you got.

Sanders's problem isn't policy, but organization. He's great at advocating policies, but there needs to be a better organization in creating more progressive politicians.

Like fucking milk.
The left needs to stop with the purity tests and start doing the do the work. Bernie is flawed, as are we all, but he is out there knocking doors .

- Bernie is an independent. The Dems are compromised. Schumer got nothing for passing CR.
  
  Oh, I'm sure he got something.
  At the very least, he got to go on his fucking book tour.

The left is way beyond Bernie Sanders, Democrats need to move beyond Bernie Sanders
- They need to move to the left of dick cheney first.
  
  I don't see that happening, they've spent years whitewashing/normalizing the Bush administration to give up now

This article states pretty much everything I believe about American politics far more articulately than I ever could. I've decided; if I ever open an American branch of the NoneOfUrBusiness party I'm making this my manifesto.

The left needs to be rid of centrists like Bernie/AOC and bring in actual leftists. Not just progressives but communists, socialists, syndicalists, anarchists, revolutionary trade unionists, the class conscious workers who will lead the revolution. Compromise with the Capitalists is useless as they have no morals, they will always claw back everything they have compromised (Trump is proof of this). Furthermore working in the Capitalists liberal democracy is the best way to get absolutely nothing done and to fall to fascism.
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Your politicans will not save you nor will running one more electoral campaign, we need to build class consciousness and strengthen unions to prepare for revolution (it is not a if question but a when question)

I agree the left should build a cybernetic android and place Bernie's brain within. He will need to be reprogram to destroy those who oppose the will of the people and the good of all humanity. Hail BernBot666

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