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On the more proletarian end of things, we know who MLK jr, Malcolm X, George Floyd and Trayvon Martin are.
The changes brought about were dramatic, even if not enough.

Wait wasn't that how Christianity got started?
- Not really, but they’d like you to believe that anyway.
  Among a few other things.
  
  It’s not because Rome needed to control public protests after they executed a gay man?

shinzo abe is rolling over in his hell
- Moonies got absolutely shit on after that. By most reasonable metrics folks would agree the assassin in that case (Tetsuya Yamagami) absolutely accomplished his goal.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetsuya_Yamagami#Motive

For the worse, I'd say JFK and RFK.
- JFK was leading the world towards nuclear annihilation
  
  Fucking Bullllllllllshit. The letters between Khrushchev and JFK suggest otherwise.
  Edit: Save your eyes; they never justify their bullshit.

Protest is the way to send a message without violence. When that message goes unheard, the masses tend to shift how they communicate
- We got four boxes of liberty to try to get things changed:
  Soap
  Ballot
  Jury
  Ammo
  Where we at now?
  
  I think we're trying a little bit of the first 3 all over the country right now. I think we need to coordinate moving to box 4 soon

How come I know who John Wilkes Boothe is? How come I know who Sirhan Sirhan is? Did you know a political assassination led to US National parks?
Violence begets change. Violence is the fastest way to create change but it is not the only way.
- Until it becomes the only way due to all other methods failing.
- I did not know a political assassination led to US National parks! (I’m not even American tho). Would you like to elaborate or have some resource I could read about it? Sounds super interesting
  
  President McKinley was assassinated and his vice president was put into power. At the time, the last president died in office more than 50 years prior so the idea of the office of vice president was seen as a place to park political activists who would upset the status quo. That's how Teddy Roosevelt became the VP - to get him out of the way. He was a famous American public figure but had national ideas that didn't agree with the political machines of the day. He was such an easily electable person that both parties wanted him on their ballot so they wouldn't lose if he ran. Teddy chose the progressive plank of the Republican party (before they became racist and evil in the 60s) and did easily win the governor's office of NY.
  Roosevelt was a nature lover and hated big corporations and was the reason that 1900s America had a sudden pivot from WE LOVE INDUSTRIAL MONEY to FUCK UP THE RICH. Roosevelt was America's Progressive President. One of the biggest fears of Roosevelt was that corporations would take over natural wonders and monetize or ruin them, Niagara Falls was the example. The idea of preserving open wild spaces was around when Roosevelt was a child so he didn't invent the notion, but he saved more lands than anyone else did. And he did it by abusing executive orders since Congress was unreliable about forming industry blocking nature preserves.
  For more detail, Ken Burns made a documentary series about America forming the National Parks and I think he captured the majesty and grandeur of the open spaces and why they are worth saving.

Baberaham Lincoln's death probably doomed reconstruction
- Schwing!
  
  Abraham Lincoln was a good old man
  He hopped out the window with his dk in his hand
  Said 'excuse me lady, I'm doing my duty
  So pull down your pants and give me some boody'

Ferdinand was just an excuse, the Germans had been planning and getting ready to invade France for at least a decade, meanwhile the French were also making their own plans and chomping at the bit to recover territory lost in 1870. The Assassination was essentially just an excuse to kick things off.

Because the band made a number of good songs?
But yeah, sometimes one violence incident can change everything, but usually it's just the drop that made the bucket overflow

ok but two world wars and two genocides isn't really a good change

Because of a 2000s Scottish band

Jesus Christ!

"It's not the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop." applied to serious topics.
A single shove never did anything. It was a combination of this boulder being perched on this ledge, and you standing 3 stories below it.

Ferdinand was the straw that broke the camels back. tensions had been building for a while. if it wasn't that it would have been something else. A lot of the consensus at the time was that war was inevitable
- https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-proud-tower-a-portrait-of-the-world-before-the-war-1890-1914-barbara-w-tuchman-s-great-war-series-barbara-w-tuchman/1417915?ean=9780345405012&next=t&next=t
  Very good one volume look at Europe/America in the run up to WW1. There had been a lot of changes in a short period of time and a lot of intelligent people thought that a little bloodshed might help things get back to normal.
  
  Up until then, war has been kind of a game. Gentlemen gathering the peasants to poke each other with sharp and/or pointy sticks until the food ran out. Then they'd swap some land, maybe a political marriage or two, then go home to tell stories of how courageous they were.
  They weren't ready for the horrors that technology would bring them.

Remember his name
Gavrilo 👏 Princip 👏

Wild to see Erin pop up here.
Obligatory fuck the Indiana democratic party. Absolutely worthless.

Jesus Christ, are we still denying this?

It can change things but does it make anything better? I can’t really think of many examples.
Killing Franz Ferdinand didn’t really do much good for anyone.
- Shinzo Abe seems like it turned out well tbh
- Depends. How comes there are no monarchies in Austria an Germany anymore and Czechia, Slowakia, Serbia, Slovenia and so on are independent countries not ruled by a decadent vienese Empire
  
  Tbh reformists like Maria Theresia and Joseph II did quite a bit to advance our society to the standards of Western Europe. Franz Joseph I caused stagnation again.
- Pretty much every European monarchy fell, even if they still have figureheads. It was the beginning of the end for the British Empire which subjugated half the planet.
- Finland would like to have a word.

Cause of the band that goes by that name of course.

There are millions of names you don't know, too.
- True, but speaking scientifically, there is sufficient evidence to reject the null hypothesis.
  (If shooting one CEO didn't change anything, we can keep trying.)
  
  Yeah, for a hot second I really thought it might become a new thing.

Mohamed Bouazizi

I mean why wouldn't you know! They're a good band!

If I had to guess, it’s because it’s not 1900, and this isn’t Bosnia.