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We supported Trump because we believe that Biden's policies have had a detrimental impact on our country. Over the past four years, those of us who work hard for a living have faced significant challenges. Inflation has skyrocketed to the point where basic necessities like housing, food, and healthcare are out of reach for many. My son, for example, would have to work far harder than I ever did just to afford rent. We voted for a better future for the working class.
In contrast, the previous administration has shown a lack of morals, ethics, and compassion for humanity. The support of actions that led to the loss of countless Palestinian lives raises serious ethical concerns. It’s important to reflect on how Biden's actions impact the world and the people who suffer as a result. Blaming a president who is advocating for the wellbeing of hardworking Americans misses the larger issue at hand. It’s essential to focus on the real challenges facing our nation, rather than directing blame toward individuals who are working to create a better future for the people of this country.
- We voted for a better future for the working class.
  
  They aren’t wrong about why they voted. They are wrong about the results of Trump’s policies which is different.
  I believe they believed Trump’s claims.
  
  Doesn’t change my ability to laugh at their thinking. I had these “conversations” with friends and family repeatedly about what they were actually voting for and it made no difference. There is such a thing as the last laugh and however dark it is, as the world stage gets darker and darker, like a Greek tragedy, I will laugh as I watch it play out, sad as it is
  
  You laugh but that's what they voted for. Empiric evidence suggests things weren't too hot for them these last 4 years so I don't know why would you laugh at them in any case
  
  Sure, agreed. But they were convinced that voting away all their rights to the oligarchy was the way forward. The corporations won, Russia won. Disinformation convinced the majority of America to sign itself up to be raped and pillaged, and I will certainly laugh at those who think otherwise and the “magical egg price droppening” “magical house cheapening” are coming by stripping corporations of any and all restrictions
  
  Because voting determines who will be president in the future. It's not a "Did you like the last 4 years" exit poll. Given the choice between Trump and Kamala, one was clearly the worse choice comparatively if you wanted prices to go down over the next 4 years.
- Inflation has skyrocketed to the point where basic necessities like housing, food, and healthcare are out of reach for many.
  Get ready for more inflation and less food and healthcare access
  The support of actions that led to the loss of countless Palestinian lives raises serious ethical concerns.
  Great, prepare for Palestine to not exist at all anymore.
  I understand that the Democrats are also the party of the corporate oligarch overlords and are also fucking us over, but at this point supporting Trump is just throwing the baby out with the bath water, my guy. You have bad, and extra bad, and you think extra bad is better for some reason?
  
  Mods, stop removing only the aggressive messages that you disagree with. Please apply the rules evenly.
  Native: What indicator would you consider that would make you say "ok, this is worse"? Because I sincerely believe that if you pick a reasonable one, it will probably happen.
- If you're paying any attention, you'd be seeing you'll get nothing but precisely the opposite of what you claimed you voted for. Given Trump's history, you have no leg to stand on believing that liar.
  
  You possess a unique perspective that many of us do not have, as it seems you are able to foresee the future. However, it’s important to acknowledge that Trump is following through on the promises he made, while Biden has not delivered in the same way. In his final actions, Biden prioritized securing the well-being of his family and ensuring their safety. In contrast, it often appears that Biden's focus has not been on the American people or their interests.
  
  Trump enriched the rich at the expense of the working person, just like he did in his first term. There are a million other things I could point out but I doubt you'd listen to a single one of them
  
  I respectfully disagree. The working class experienced significant gains during the Trump administration, and the past four years under Biden's leadership have been particularly challenging. These are the facts based on the experiences of many and the main reason Trump is now president. It's important to recognize that the wealthiest individuals often remain insulated from the hardships faced by hardworking Americans, and they do not endure the same struggles as those in the labor force. Essentially they always win!
  
  Significant gains:
  
  That dip is in employment due to COVID. You need a different chart that compares income adjusted for stimulus payments. Im about to get out of work but Ill try to source one for you if I remember.
  You aren’t wrong that’s just the wrong chart.
  
  Yes, I know what it was due to. That doesn't change the fact that is literally the opposite of significant gains.
  
  Plus that graph is pretty much the same when Trump supporters talk about him securing our borders from illegal immigrants. Pretty much every country restricted border crossings at the start of Covid so yeah it was way harder for people to move around.
  The Biden administration didn't increase the amount of illegal immigration, it just returned to the line it had been on before Covid.
  
  “facts based on the experiences of many” is a dangerous phrase to use because your perception can in fact be compared to statistical reality
  
  Name one way trump improved your life.
  Thousands of people are currently dead because he did almost nothing to combat COVID, the economy wrecked partially for the same reason. Biden didn't do a ton to improve or worsen economic conditions. And the public wasn't aware of the few good things he actually did. Many people believed all the hilariously false shit about the damned laptop.
  The reason trump is president right now is that a lot of billionaires worked to brainwash less educated people into voting squarely against their own interests.
  Trump is currently letting the world's richest man dismantle the government from within. If that one fact alone doesn't alarm you I don't know what to tell you.
  Trump's mishandling of COVID was nothing compared to the death and destruction he's currently setting in motion. It will take this country 100 years to recover, if it ever does.
  Good luck buying food once he deports millions of immigrants that currently make the food as cheap as it even is now. You won't have to imagine produce prices tripling, you'll see it if he actually does that shit.
- The problem is you misunderstand macroeconomics on a fundamental level if you think the policies proposed by Trump or the actions taken by Trump so far will in fact bring down prices.
  I get why you hoped he was telling the truth but if you ever had taken even intro macro you would know enough to doubt what he’s saying.
  If you think Trump is more moral than Biden I’d ask why you think the guy who raped people and admitted to intentionally walking in on teenaged girls changing clothes because he could was more moral because that’s just bizarre.
  
  If President Biden's macroeconomic policies have contributed to the current inflation, it may be time to reevaluate and implement new macroeconomic strategies.
  
  Like tariffs that give American businesses no alternatives but to pay more for the same thing they were importing already? I'm not sure why you think that will help.
- Since calling you what you are is not allowed:
  In contrast, the previous administration has shown a lack of morals, ethics, and compassion for humanity.
  I cannot see how you can look at this current administration and think that this is better in any way.
- It's not necessarily a lack of education, I know a really smart surgeon, generally very reasonable, who fell for this stuff.
  If you've never seen the echo chamber this guy lives in you don't understand how bizarre it can be.
  On the surface there's a lot of influencers that can say truly regressive lies, and make them sound innocuous. They say it with such confidence and mixed in with truths and half truths. It can be hard to see the fallacies and misinfo even if you know what to look for.
  There's a constant drip of cherry picked stats and talking points designed to reinforce what he's feeling. In the back of his mind he knows those support his case but he doesn't really have an original source to reference. He tries to say them with the same confidence that he heard them with, but they're not based in reality and look pretty ugly without the professional window dressing.
  There's videos where people do deep dives on this stuff (I can try to find one if you want). You could probably also experiment with it yourself if you have a VPN and a fresh/virtual device to make an account on.
  
  Mental health is a significant issue in today's society, which is why I tend to avoid taking things too personally. When individuals respond with excessive anger, it often leads me to believe their frustration may stem from underlying issues unrelated to the topic at hand. Additionally, some individuals seem to struggle with engaging in constructive conversations with those who hold differing viewpoints, which is not reflective of the majority of us who are open to respectful dialogue.
  
  I find their anger often comes from the frustration of arguing with someone whose viewpoint is further away from reality than their own.
  We see you voting against your own interests and it makes us annoyed because we want the same things and so we should be on the same side.
  
  It's not simply anger, but rather excessive frustration that is difficult to manage. Having lived in this country over the past four years, I've witnessed significant challenges and setbacks. I'm voting in my best interest, and if others disagree, it's important to recognize that everyone has different life experiences. We all face unique struggles, so it's unfair to assume that I am voting against my interests when many of the things I care about have been negatively impacted.
  
  Has what has happened in the past few weeks been helpful to you or has it been putting your finances at risk like everyone else in America who isn't super wealthy? Consumer goods are more expensive and inflation is higher. Was that in your best interest? To have to pay more for things and for your pay to be worth less than it used to be? Do you think tariffs on goods from all over the world without giving American businesses alternatives is going to make things less costly?
  
  You unapologetically voted for someone who is going to make mental healthcare even harder to access for people than before, so I'm not sure that you're really in a position to be talking about how mental health is a significant issue.
  
  A different issue is for some is the GOP supporters voted to put people in concentration camps regardless of your personal view on immigration or whether LGBT+ people can exist in public. That’s going to be an issue for some.
  
  While I disagree with the approach of removing immigrants from the country, it raises the question of who allowed them to enter in the first place. Why hasn't President Biden taken more decisive action to provide a pathway to citizenship for them? Ultimately, the current situation can be traced back to decisions made by the Biden administration. It's as if we are experiencing a form of collective amnesia when it comes to addressing these issues. I have never heard President Trump make any statements suggesting that LGBTQ+ individuals should not exist.
  
  Project 2025, which Trump has been following since inauguration day, makes the administration's position on erasing queer people from America very clear.
  And he also doesn't have to say anything because his actions are saying plenty:
  https://gizmodo.com/the-list-of-trumps-forbidden-words-that-will-get-your-paper-flagged-at-nsf-2000559661
  https://www.statnews.com/2025/01/28/hiv-aids-pepfar-funding-trump-administration-freeze/
  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgkj8gx1vy6o
  There's plenty more where that came from and it's been less than a month.
  
  The GOP has been dead set against any pathway to citizenship for Spanish speaking people not from Spain. It’s always easy to blame POTUS but Congress plays a huge role as well.
  
  If there is no clear path for individuals to gain legal status, why allow them to enter in the first place?
  
  Because we require their labor and racists don't want them to be citizens.
- The sheer fact that your whole comment can be refuted and countered from just cursory searches and looking outside of curated news spaces means that you are either arguing in bad faith or you just choose to ignore reality. Either way your stupid decision is going to fuck over a huge number of people and that includes your son because trump has never worked a day in his life. He has bankrupt over 250 businesses, including a casino so he's a shit businessman. Your inability or unwillingness to face reality is going to be responsible for everything that trump fucks up over the next, hopefully only, 4 years.
- I agree that the Biden administration's policies where not good enough to address the real issues facing working people in the country. They were pulling from the same neoliberal economic playbook that both parties have used and has been shown over and over again to increase inequality instead of decreasing inequality. Biden and Democratic leadership think we are still in the world economic situation of the 1990's and refuse to believe otherwise.
  However Trump on the other hand doesn't even have a plan. He was correct in saying "The Economy sucks", but had no other plan to fix the system besides "Drill Baby Drill" and "Let the Oligarchs decide how the economic system works". Harris might have been an out of touch elite, oblivious to economic reality. But Trump is pain and destruction incarnate and will only cause more pain and destruction during his tenure.
  The reality is the US Empire is dying and it can either go gracefully or with pain and anger while it takes the rest of the world with it.
  
  It's going with pain an anger, but thanks to Trump's trade wars the rest of the world is finally distancing itself from the USA enough that we might not be dragged down with you.
  That's the one silver lining to all this: America's been on a clear path to fascism since GWB at the latest, but now that it's finally here it's being managed by an outright moron. Trump's stupidity will be the one thing that saves the world.
  
  Or ends it.
  
  No, if the world ends it'll be because of the American public's stupidity. They knew what they were getting when they voted for Trump. Twice.
  
  I'm pretty sure the American public can't launch nuclear weapons.
  Trump can.
  
  Dude's got nukes, that doesn't tend to end well.
  
  Wecome to Disney's North Korea+ (brought to you by Tesla)
- I'm not going to argue with you because there's enough other people doing that. What I am interested though is a few statistics about yourself to compare to what you're saying.
  You claim to be part of a group who " works hard for a living"
  Just wondering what your line of work is and yearly income.
  Have you always voted conservative? does your family vote conservative or are you the outlier?
  What social media platforms do you use?.
  What region of the USA do you live in? Normally blue/ red?
  Thanks!
  
  would you also like my bank account username and password?
  
  Nope, was just hoping to understand your side of things a bit more, some context into how your opinions were formed. But clearly you're not interested in any type of discussion.
  
  Requesting that I provide personal information on a form before engaging in a discussion can come across as presumptuous. This is why I responded humorously to the question.
  
  You could have easily provided some vague answer that would've been slightly helpful. But that would assume you're here with good faith 😉
  
  Ok sharkdik
  
  The last thing that's going on in there is arguing. Maybe you are confused with belittling.
  Purity tests is not how you get workers to your doomed cause
- I'm not your father!
- I would recommend familiarizing yourself with the definition before using the term.
- In contrast, the previous administration has shown a lack of morals, ethics, and compassion for humanity.
  I'm all in for criticizing Biden' support for Israel and I think that the Democratic Party prefers saying "vote for us, we are not the other guy" to actually addressing the glaring issues in wealth distribution, but... Trump spectacularized the erasure of trans people from official documents and the deportation of migrants, he is dismantling that little welfare the US has to eat it up with his oligarch buddies and you still think that he is somehow better? I don't know if you're a bot, a shill, or simply lack the political education needed.
- I 100% agree with your critiques, but I don't see how Trump was going to solve them. However, I'm pretty disappointed that you're at -20 at the time I'm making this comment (thanks blue maga groupthink), so I'm upvoting you to try and turn the tide. But all standards, you have a well written comment that should not be downvoted into oblivion.
  
  This reaction is fairly common on Lemmy; when users disagree, they often downvote. However, the joke is on them, as I don't concern myself with negative votes—what truly matters to me is fostering meaningful dialogue. Ultimately, Lemmy tends to function as a collection of small echo chambers.
  I was once a Democrat, but after the way Bernie Sanders was treated, I can no longer align myself with the party. I would have supported Sanders over Trump, and I believe many others would have as well.
  
  This is interesting because the two men have nothing in common.
  
  What they have in common is a call for change. Unfortunately, we are often limited to just two choices in the political process.
  
  Sadly only one proposed change that would help most people while the other is creating an authoritarian police state.
  
  I would have supported Sanders over Trump
  This is it, right here. The DNC needs this rammed through their skulls until they understand it.
  It still doesn't make sense to me to vote for Trump given what you've said though-- he's radical, but in precisely the wrong way to achieve your stated goals.
  
  Bernie Sanders was often labeled as "radical" by his critics. However, living in the United States over the past four years has led many to seek alternative options for addressing the country’s challenges. If you’ve been following the ongoing issues at the Social Security Building? particularly regarding Social Security and retirement systems, it’s clear that reforms are needed. Immediate action is required to ensure the sustainability of Social Security for future retirees.
  
  Yep, totally agree. Sad to see so many on here knee jerk being angry at you instead of engaging in constructive outreach to an obviously attentive and likely persuadable voter.

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