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Sure they can. But with the boys.
- Truth sucks.
  
  Forcing a girl to play against boys and use their changing room is pretty fucked up dude. Don't make yourself look even more like a dick.
  
  Nobody is forcing anyone. But saying they can't play badminton because they are trans is false.
  
  Oh, right! They can just stop doing what they love! I'm sorry, my empathy-riddled ass didn't think about this obvious solution.
  
  No? They can play with the boys. Changing rooms can be arranged. Why is it important for a trans-girl who went through male puberty to play with girls that are smaller and physically weaker?
  I should probably clarify that i mean compete in competitions, dont care in the slightest who or how they want to practice. That's just fair.
  
  I see, so it's an information problem.
  Trans girls are not stronger than other girls. Any increased muscle mass vanishes with hormone therapy as the testosterone supporting it goes away. Likewise the body remodels stuff like cartilages as all of this is influenced by hormones. That's why Olympia goes so overboard with hormone tests, even forcing cis-women to do invasive measures to reduce their natural testosterone levels.
  The only difference caused by puberty that are irreversible are:
  How thick bones are & how they formed
  How you sound
  Where you grow how much hair
  And of those three ONLY the first can be of any value in any argument. And definitely not for badminton. Uninformed bullshit arguments cause WAY more problems for cis-women in sports than they could ever solve. There's nothing fair about that way of arguing.
  
  Trans girls are not stronger than other girls. Any increased muscle mass vanishes with hormone therapy as the testosterone supporting it goes away.
  Yeah, but then you'd need rules for checking that too.
  And of those three ONLY the first can be of any value
  Yes, and one is enough for making competitions unfair.
  
  Those rules are already in place, professional sports require trans athletes to receive treatment in a controlled environment to make sure it's all fair. Hell, they check literally every athlete for Olympia or other big tournaments. And if you can prove that thicker bones than average give you an unfair advantage in some way go ahead and tell the professionals who literally look into this very topic the whole fucking time. In Badminton thicker bones are even worse because they potentially slow you down a tiny bit. And advantages due to size are a normal problem to deal with in sports and no trans-specific issue, just look at Basketball. Until there are proper arguments this whole discussion is just evidence for either transphobia or lack of knowledge, nothing more.
  
  Thanks for bringing up the bone point. Something noone seems to acknowledge in this argument is that anything that couldnt be changed would come with just as many disadvantages as advantages. Even then, you can make things fair without outright bans. Discuss is co ed but womens are half the weight, an argument they themselves used
  
  Those rules are already in place, professional sports require trans athletes to receive treatment in a controlled environment to make sure it's all fair.
  Wrong, most sports don't. Most countries don't. Most countries doesn't acknowledge that being trans is even a real condition.
  I saw a documentary of the olympic "spot checks" for potential men competing with women. It's a shit show. They knocked on the doors at the hotels and asked them to show what's between their legs. I guess it's something, but kind of "ad hoc" and likely more undignified than it needs to be.
  
  How would you propose women prove they are not trans and can thus play on the women's team?
  
  I'm not qualified to answer that. I assume a doctor might be able to answer.
  But not having a dick is a start.
  
  And how would you like these women to prove they don't have a dick?
  
  Don't you think they know if they do or don't?
  
  Its important for the same reason gays and leabians want proper marriages and not just civil unions. There is social legitamacy that comes from inclusion. I have also never seen a single study actually backing up this unfair advantage narrative.
  Meanwhile, the WNBA has an average player height of 6'1" against the average womans height of 5'4". But noone complains about a cis woman whos 6 foot having an unfair advantage. Meanwhile even cis women get caught in the crossfire, see Imane Khalif who could be executed in her home country for being trans. She's not, but one salty boxer and a fraudulent Russian report gave her all sorts of shit and put her life in danger.
  
  Loving all your truthful examples and sources!
  
  lol. the claim was that transwomen aren't allowed to play, period. Not true, they might not be allowed to compete against women, but open category (mens) is open for all.
  Here is one example: https://www.badmintonengland.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/Participation-in-Badminton-by-Transgender-and-Non-binary-Players-Policy-%E2%80%93-Frequently-Asked-Questions-FAQs.pdf
  Who can compete within the open category?
  All players can play within the open category. This includes, players assigned male at birth, players assigned female at birth, transgender males, transgender females, and non-binary players.
- If trans women have to play with the boys, then cis women should, too. Just end segregation entirely.
  
  That's definitely one way of making sure that a woman will never win again in athletics.
  They did do that in golf, of course with handicaps like a shorter tee off for women, so not a fair competition.
  
  You're saying that even the weakest biologically male athlete could beat the strongest biologically female athlete?
  Because otherwise, "never win again" seems kind of unlikely.
  
  My god what an asenine take.
  No, but no woman would ever win with the best from both genders attending.
  I don't think you could even qualify for the mens qualifiers in athletics with the world records for women.
  
  You do know there are tons of co-ed sports out there, right? And women win them all the time.
  But please, continue to be rude. That will definitely prove something or other.
  
  Good, name one and ill give you a list of world records in athletics.
  
  Discus.
  
  Womens discus weigh 1 kg
  Mens weigh 2 kg
  Next you'll tell me women are hindered by being forced to use a smaller discus or something.
  
  This is what you said:
  Good, name one and ill give you a list of world records in athletics.
  Where's the list of world records?
  
  But you named a sport that wasn't co-ed, so they don't have world records for women throwing a man's discus.
  
  I'm giving you some context since you clearly don't know anything about sports.

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