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How can Doge access critical government infrastructure and fire people if it isn't even a real department?

I'm not from the US so all of this is baffling. In Europe and even South America there's tons of mechanisms to stop that from happening, and this kind of meddling would seriously result in arrests. However this is happening in the US with these people going completely unchecked. How is that even possible?!

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  • twice the orange shit was impeached, and the republicans did not remove him from office.

    then the orange shit was found guitly of 34 felonies and was let off the hook. technically convicted but no punishment.

    the systems, checks and balances that should have prevented this situation were tried, but congress / senate did not hold him accountable and punish him. they figured they would end up with more power and money if they let him do what he wanted and so are letting him.

    that's basically it. unless there's some sort of miracle (and i really doubt there will be) democracy is over in the united states. you just watched the grand old experiment fail.

  • It's good to be a king, and that's what Trump is now. The people in charge of defending us from this took the money instead.

  • south america has a tradition of government reform and transparency wherein criminals in government are arrested sometimes forcibly. no such tradition exists in the USA

  • There are all sorts of mechanisms in the USA to stop this from happening as well. However, Trump spent the first term embedding loyalists in the courts and congress, so there really is not much left to stop him. If the people who are there to act as a check on presidential power are in on the game, then who is left to enforce the law?

    Prosecution takes a very long time and authoritarians move very quickly. Time is not on our side.

    • Dude. Time was up on November 6th. I'm not sure who you imagine time is still available for to use in any way whatsoever. We had time between the start of 2021 to the election in 2024, and we squandered it. No time left my friend. It's the end of time.

      • I think you misunderstand the phrase as I'm using it.

        Time is always on someone's side. It's the nimble, the patient, the determined who win. MAGA is more nimble than the institutions that oppose it. It's been more patient and focused than the opposition which has been constantly chasing after the latest shiny object of the week/month/year rather than anticipating the need for focus and unity. The bad guys are winning and they are not slowing down; we are falling further behind.

  • Commonwealth countries have a cabinet system of govt.

    Minsters are selected by the cabinet from members of parliament. Departments are closed, opened and altered all the time when there is a ministerial reshuffle ordered by the cabinet.

    Any minister could run this sort of operation in their department without palrliamentary approval, and the cabinet could do so for the whole govt (and frequently do).

    The US has a presidential form of govt. The presidental office is separate from the parliament. Minsters are appointed by the president and must not be members of parliament.

    But the president can't just choose anyone - they must be members of their political party and they must be elected through a series of member elections and state executive decisions.

    The issue here is not that DOGE cannot operate under a minister, its that the president cannot order a political outsider to undertake the duties of a minister properly elected through party processes.

    BTW, no such limitaion exists in France - the French president can appoint anyone as minister, they don't even need to be a French citizen or a residnet in France ! Macron attempted to do this recently but had to back down when the parliament blocked money bills.

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