Family of U.S. Citizens Shopping in Milwaukee Detained for Speaking Spanish

Fuck the police

Fuck maga and the racist bigots dominating American policy.
Thank you American voters.
- Well I think they really only did two things : A) appeal to far right people with their roots waaaay out in the boondocks mostly northward rather than southwestward using stuff like dog whistles, and B) use doublespeak to simultaneously appeal to, draw in, and superficially radicalize the more centre right types just enough to get their vote over the top, to have a substantial base, and to be able to call it 'a mandate'. I mean they really went out into the deep country for campaigning.
- Dont forget to also thank the DNC for their electoral strategerie. Turns out campaigning to a left leaning voter base by going hard right with Liz cheney onstage and Harris talking lovingly about her Glock wouldnt win it for the dems?
  No one could have forseen such a thing not working on the 20th time its been tried. The only way to be sure is to try it a few more times. Lets get on it people --who knows some republicans that the dems can campaign with twice as hard in 2028? Are the AIPAC donations still flowing? How can we get even larger corporate sponsors? Can we get Harris some ammo bandoleers and a .50 cal for next time? The glock didnt work.
  Who is even in charge these days at the DNC?!?

As of 2023, there were over 42 million Spanish speakers in America.

I used to live in South Gate, a neighborhood in L.A. We were the only family in the neighborhood that didn't speak Spanish. Even the local pizza places didn't understand us well enough to order from. We didn't complain, we were the white people who chose to move there and we were fine with it. But we're talking about a neighborhood full of homeowners, not undocumented immigrants. Some of them were in the U.S. for generations.

And then there's Florida:

First settled by the Spanish in the 16th century, 19% of Floridians now speak Spanish, which is the most widely taught second language. In Miami, 67% of residents spoke Spanish as their first language in 2000.
In addition, there are several other major cities in Florida with a sizable percentage of the population able to speak Spanish, most notably Tampa (18%) and Orlando (16.6%).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_language_in_the_United_States#Florida

The U.S. has no official language. Spanish is one of many spoken in the U.S. A large proportion of the U.S. used to be Mexico. Of course we have a ton of people here who speak Spanish.

But, you know, "they all look and sound alike."

The U.S. has no official language
I'm sure that bill is just around the corner
- Almost certainly. They've been wanting it for years now.
Come to Miami. Any place you go can speak to you in Spanish.... You don't have to be in Hialeah or South Miami. I'm not fluent, but I get by, I will make it a point to use Spanish as much as possible from now on.
And even if they have an official language what then?
Nothing really changes

Guilty until proven innocent, unfortunately.

Literally. Having to show your fucking birth certificate to prove you are a citizen?
I suppose next they will demand the "long form" birth certificate like they did with Obama. And then they will show it and it won't matter anyway.
- I suppose next they will demand the "long form" birth certificate like they did with Obama. And then they will show it and it won't matter anyway.
  So, no different than the first time?
- People will have to show their parents' birth certificate too, with his attempts to end birthright citizenship.
- I'm getting a passport card ASAP. I don't look Mexican or south American, but I have a Latin surname- And on more than one occasion Latinos have referred to me and to my wife (who also has a Latin surname) as "one of us"- which frankly pleased me. So I'm not taking any chances of some ICE pig deciding to make his quota at our expense.

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Fascismo*

We've been getting news reports like this and ones about Native Americans, and they are egregious, but it's worth noting we're not getting enough stories about the undocumented people and how badly they're being treated. They're people too. What's being done to them is legal under this administration, but it's evil.

I don't know about you but we are getting a lot of stories locally about ICE. They just don't make the mainstream news.
- There are a lot of people who don't pay attention to local news, only mainstream. Hell, there were people ON LEMMY saying the ICE raids were all hot air AS THEY WERE HAPPENING because they weren't paying attention.

If you're an American citizen in a red state, that looks visibly Mexican/South American and speaks fluent Spanish, you should lean into this! Go put on a serape, a sombrero, some chanclas and sell tamales or tortillas in front of the local mall right now while singing "Feliz navidad" - just be the full, lead-huffing boomer racist fantasy caricature. Get arrested and then get yourself a FAT settlement for civil rights violations... while we still have courts and judges who don't have spray tan stains on their white collared robes.

This is a terrible idea.
Cops are completely immune and there is little to no chance the courts would uphold any civil rights violations under Dictator Trump
- Criminally they're shielded by qualified immunity for a lot of things, civilly there's more leeway there and taxpayers to be fleeced.
- Sure, the cop is shielded, and will not pay a penny. The taxpayers on the other hand....
"Fat settlement" is spelled a little differently in reality:
Mark Lyttle, an American citizen with mental disabilities who was wrongfully detained and deported to Mexico and forced to live on the streets and in prisons for months, settled his case for $175,000 against the federal government.
https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/us-citizen-wrongfully-deported-mexico-settles-his-case-against-federal-government
- I mean cops being defunded by thousands of US citizens wrongfully detained and deported doesn't sound so bad
- That's more than my yearly salary though so... 🤷🏽‍♀️ No, but that's absolutely horrendous what he went through.
You think everyone being deported is gonna get due process?
- I don't actually. Read the last sentence. Try to start from a place of unity instead of division in your replies, friend.
Omg, please make this a thing.
while we still have courts and judges who don’t have spray tan stains on their white collared robes.
About that. They're expanding Gitmo.
just be the full, lead-huffing boomer racist fantasy caricature.
They love their racist caricatures though. You know: to point to and reinforce prejudices. Hell, that strategy is more likely to land a position with the GOP than detained.

Papers, please.

Unfortunately, that was decided by SCOTUS a while ago in Terry v. Ohio.

Honest question and genuinely not suggesting anything, but, Isn't this what the second amendment is for?

There is a difference between second amendment culture and your second amendment rights.
2A culture is pretty much MAGA: "Respect my authority or I won't respect your right to exist." As a former conservative who owns guns, this line of thinking is very pervasive through gun owning circles. But you need to remember that they will fully support laws that bar the other people from owning guns like the Black Panthers.
Bare in mind that the Constitution is just a piece of paper. It only has power when the government and the will of the people give it power. You can assume for at least the next four years, the Constitution will be seen as "rules that allow me to stay in power but don't protect you from me".
- Bare in mind that the Constitution is just a piece of paper. It only has power when the government and the will of the people give it power.
  There’s a scene from The West Wing that really impressed upon me the great challenge of holding even the seemingly most stable democracies together. Toby Ziegler was working with representatives of a newly forming government and a constitutional scholar played by Christopher Lloyd to craft a constitution. Toby takes issue with the amount of power they are considering vesting in their executive branch, preferring instead a parliamentary system. Christopher Lloyd’s character responds to him with almost this exact point, telling him that their work just then was to instill a democratic spirit in those leaders and through them the broader populace of their country.
the 2A lunatics are the ones who want the tyranny
How would this family getting in a shootout with the cops have helped them?
Technically, yes. But I strongly recommend never pointing a gun at a law enforcement officer unless there are significantly more of you than there are of them.
- Or perhaps if you're 300 yards away with a magnified optic, just for example.

This is possibly not a real thing that happened.

Of all the news agencies I looked into that tried to verify this story, they all came up empty handed. Even snipes did a dive in on it and found nothing

So yeah look at all the comments posted here jumping to conclusions.

I like the idea of Snopes being called "Snipes" in an parallel universe. It gives it an air of vigilante je ne sais quoi and it makes me giddy.
Thank you.
Yes, let's give the fascist the benefit of the doubt... It's the least we can do for them
- Benefit of the doubt would be to say it absolutely didn’t happen since proof doesn’t exist now. I didn’t say that.

This is what Trump wants.

So basically you can be arrested over a mandatory high school education requirement. Fucking great.

Not a bug, but a feature of the Republiqon agenda.

Thats some bullshit. We should all start speaking spanish then.

I'm looking into convo Spanish at the local C. C.

Hmm not to discredit this, but how does that work, being detained and having to produce a birth certificate ... does one normally daily carry a birth certificate next to ones ID?

And if you're detained without a a birth certificate while on vacation across the country?

Only ID on you? Go to prison?

No ID nor birth certificate and you'll either get shot or deported?

What if you speak something else than Spanish or English amongst yourselves?

How long 'till the Trump administration mandates a form of ID on ones hand, arm, or forehead?

Lol. The religious nutjobs will really love it when he gives us a choice of the taking the mark (of the beast) or face deportation.
- It would be awesome though if we were able to deport all the religious nut jobs. Though not for the places these crazies would be deported to.
Someone can bring it, fax it, send a picture, carry a picture? Carrying it seems like a huge risk of accidental loss.
- Do you think every US born citizen is going to suddenly carry around a photocopy of their birth certificate everytime they leave their house?
If you don't carry your federal ID with you at all times, there is no way to determine your US citizenship. Also, there is no federal ID. And many states issue drivers licenses to undocumented immigrants to avoid issues with unlicensed and uninsured motorists.
immigrants are meant to carry their green card on them at all times. i keep mine with my driving license.
i also keep an album of photographs of my ID on my phone
- sure but these were us citizens. i am a citizen. i woild never carry my birth certificate around. what if i lose my wallet? identity theft??

Hopefully, we start seeing civil rights lawsuits for the usual -- 4th and probably 5th Amendment violations. You know, the classics.

Then it makes it's way to the supreme court and they give it their stamp of approval.

Time to learn Spanish.

Got a real NKVD going on here. A real “people’s police.”

La Migra!

I am relearning Spanish because of this. When I did factory work a long time ago I worked with a buncha guys from El Salvador and Honduras and learned enough to converse. Time to pick it back up! Arrest my 5th gen American ass, fascists!