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Simple competition gaslighting. The bigger the better.

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Here ya go, Scruff. By the way, one of the admins there will refuse to answer if they are asked if they support Russia.
- This didn't link me to anything
  
  Did it take you to lemmy.ml?
  
  Wooosh
- to be honest it takes a bit of time just to find any mention of russia related topics at all (and then the first one is just a news article with zero comments)

Strong "I don't support Trump, I just don't like Harris" vibes here.
- "Nothing changes in the middle east, they're both just equally genocidal candidates."
  Meanwhile:
  Trump: "I think we should just clear out Palestine, force all of them into Egypt and Jordan. Btw did you know those 2000 lbs bombs Israel bought were halted and just sitting in storage? I made sure those got sent out ASAP."
- I fucking hate them both... I voted for Harris because she's not literally parroting every word, motion and action from Adolf Hitler.

I’ve literally seen "but Ukraine has Nazis” before.
Edit. Thanks everyone. I don’t need an explanation. I’m just saying that if I cared to, I could pull those receipts.
- It probably is true. I'm sure there is at least on Nazi in the entirety of Ukraine.
  Does that justify invasion? No, not really
  
  If you can identify them, it justifies flying over there to punch them in the face. I'm sure Indiana Jones can find some ancient relic there to justify the trip.
- First-off, fuck Putin and fuck Russia, second-off Azov Brigade have confirmed neo-Nazis in their ranks.
  Edit: fuck China too.
  
  second-off Azov Brigade have confirmed neo-Nazis in their ranks
  That goes for pretty much every single military in the world unfortunately. It's not really worth singling them out when there are Russians running around with black sun symbols and SS-Skulls at the same time.
  Besides, Ukraine has done a huge amount of work to clear up these elements and pretty much none of the founding members of Azov remain in active service. The entire brigade has been almost fully replaced after Mariupol.
  
  So does Russia though. So does Israel and I'm pretty sure Hamas also has a ton of hardcore reactionaries. I never understood what that argument is meant to achieve except spread disinfo
  
  The last director of the Russian space agency was recorded speaking at a neo-nazi gathering. And the guy who gave the Wagner group its name had a tattoo of the nazi eagle and the SS logo on each of his shoulders. I mean, if you wanna condemn an entire country for having a few nazis, the list of Russian nazis is a lot longer. We'll be here for hours.
- You look at any nation's army and you see a bunch of nationalist assholes there, no exceptions. Some of those are literally neo-nazis. Azov is has pretty high concentration of those, it was a non-government lead army comprised of uktra-nationalists and for sure was problematic as hell.
  Ukraine took over Azov when the war escalated in 2022, and they're using Azov as any other battalions in the defence of their country because they need men and these men are willing to give their lives to defend the country, and that's what Ukraine needs right now - without it there would be no Ukraine anymore.
  Of course it's easy to yell at Nazi from the safety of your home thousands of kilometres from the country being invaded by an army lead by a shitbag in a bunker, but Ukraine needs every single one of these men to prevent being absorbed into another oblast in the Ruzzian empire. Sometimes bad people end up doing good things
  That being said, every Nazi deserves to be fucked in the face with a brick
  Sorry for drunk rambling
- Can't help but feel the creation of a hard right organisation is a natural out come of an invasion of your territory
  
  It's also akin to an invasion of the Bible belt in the US. There were nazis there, that doesn't mean they deserve to be invaded.
- The best propaganda uses elements of truth or even wholly true premises. It’s the conclusion that’s wrong (“therefore we should X”).

Pretty braindead position to take when Yog is posting pro-Russia propaganda memes straight to the front page of memes.ml on the regular.
- Ahhh, yogthos.... he's definitely my least favorite 6-figure earning IT dipshit living in Toronto.
  I wonder why he won't move to russia?
  
  Or so he claims.
  The dude posts and comments like it's his full time job.
  
  Yeah gee I wonder why? I hear Russia is great these days!

https://lemmy.ml/post/25123316/16286741
That didn't take long.
- Not a good example. "Defending X" is a much stronger requirement than just "pointing out that a specific argument against X is invalid"; the latter is done by everyone who likes seeing good arguments rather than bad arguments, and isn't a sign of liking X.
  (The most pro-russian (as in, supporting the russian-ukraine war) stuff I've seen was various memes from lemmy.ml and lemmygrad that ended up in popular. I'm having trouble finding a better example than that; in particular, because Lemmy's search is bad and doesn't seem to allow for searching recent comments from a specific instance, and also refuses to give me more than a few pages of results.)

Classic sealion. No matter how much evidence you provide to one of them, they'll find any reason to invalidate or ignore it and continue prodding.
- Their favorite words used to "debunk" anything you say;
  Propaganda, conspiracy, projection.
  Anything you say will be one of the three. And everything they say is the real truth.
  It's like playing chess with a pigeon. They're just gonna shit on the board, fly away and say they won.
- Have they been provided any evidence?
  The only reply to that comment is someone saying they will give them a link tomorrow
  
  No, because it's not worth the effort of doing so. Sealions like that person only seek to waste your time and aren't there for any actual discussion. You can provide as much evidence as you want, but they'll ignore or attack it and demand more.

I think you're confusing anti-NATO sentiment with pro-putin sentiment
There wouldn't need to be pro-NATO shit if Russia didn't invade an entire fucking country, what are they talking about
They same the exact same shit with Syria, that Bashaar is the lesser evil despite gassing his own people and running concentration camps. Fuck them all, they're no better than fascists.
- NATO is a defensive alliance. It poses no threat to anyone unless they attack a NATO country. It's like a porcupine, just leave it alone and everyone is happy.
  Russia could probably join as WL well if they wanted. Ideally, all countries join, which would probably eliminate war entirely.
  
  NATO is a defensive alliance. It poses no threat to anyone unless they attack a NATO country. It's like a porcupine, just leave it alone and everyone is happy.
  From what i've seen yes. We shouldn't forget Libya but it seems to have a clean track record? I'm not sure why some would have negative views about NATO as an idea but some of their actions can be criticized.
  Ideally, all countries join, which would probably eliminate war entirely.
  Probably not. Most countries wouldn't waste resources on protecting tiny countries or its opponents. Even just sending reparations some countries fail at. (See the US and iraq :( )

I used to say it jokingly, but holy shit I really miss the 90s and early 2000s before everything was full of nazis, bots and ads.
- They were there then, too. You just didn't know because they were quiet about it.
  
  Which is better. Infinitely better. The fact it's out in the open and no one with any power is doing anything to squelch it is why it's growing so fast. There's no way to assuredly eradicate fascists, but if they're forced to be underground because their idealogies are not tolerated in public spaces, they won't be nearly as able to spread like a plague to every troglodyte stealing oxygen.
- There were lots of Nazis back then too I’m afraid.
  
  Yes, but not out in the open, not on every site I visit, not in the literal advertisements being forced on people, not by the president and his minions in broad daylight. No one can seriously pretend things are the same as they were back then.

These cretins can't have an honest discussion if their lives depended on it.
.ml is truly just a self help forum for inhalant abusers.

I hope someone linked them to some relevant hexbear threads.

Defending Russia is the most restrictive definition of Tankie.

For a long while, i havent seen anyone defend Russia on lemmy.
Even if it exists and its easy to find if you have seen it before, that doesnt mean every single person knows about it
Seeing anti-NATO posts and thinking thats what people are referring to when they are saying there are pro-russian posts isnt that unlikely of a scenario
- With all due respect it's a .ml account that is 1 year and 4 months old as of writting.
  Judging by their post history they spend most of their time in political and news on .world now from time to time you will 100% see someone defending Russia there.
  just the instance they are on is riddled with tankies it would be highly unlikely.
  The comment was made in bad faith or they have a serious case of selective vision. I would bet on the former.
  
  This makes the chance that they havent seen any comment or post supporting Russia a lot less likely
  But wouldnt it be easier to link to someone defending Russia and then judging by their reply than searching trough their post history?
- All you have to do is browse .ml
  You know you're at the right place when you start seeing stuff like "occupied korea".
  I've seen plenty of people not only defending Russias invasion but justifying it as the right thing to do with claims that they are "de-nazifying" Ukraine.

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