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Zelenskyy: Europe has no chance against Russia without Ukrainian military

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President Volodymyr Zelenskyy believes that the possibility of ending the war or achieving a truce in Ukraine hinges on Europe’s readiness to take a tougher stance on Russia.

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6mo ago

Zelenskyy: Europe has no chance against Russia without Ukrainian military

www.pravda.com.ua /eng/news/2025/01/15/7493773/

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Zelensky man, that the Ukrainian army has more experience in combat than any other, that is true, but that the German, French, Italian or Spanish armies are not made of paper either, and even more so if you combine them all.
- I'm guessing the point is that those armies are prepared for "WWII" style combat and not the cyberpunk drone-infestation that is the current war the Ukrainians are fighting.
  
  The opposite is true. The fighting in Ukraine is retarded WWII combat but with drones being the artillery's smaller and (slightly - or for Russians: much more) precise sister. But exactly nobody but Russia (and Ukrainians mostly trained to the same (non-)standard back then) would fight an artillery based trench war in the first place in this day and age.
  Contrary to the tales people tell this is NOT a modern war. It's obsolete bullshit caused by the inability of both sides to do better (Russians can't anyway and Ukraine is usually lacking equipment so hard that they can only move very slowly). Yes drones are a thing. And they will stay a thing in the future. But not like in Ukraine because that static fight with lackluster air-defense on both sides is very unique indeed.
- The german military is literally paper, lol.
  
  But the paper meets all the detailed specifications. The specifications may not be suitable for military use, but they are met.
- I believe that russian army as it is now won't be a great problem in attack, they are pretty exhausted in terms of equipment, and old soviet stockpiles are gone mostly. But they still have a lot of long range weapons and they make enough of them. So they can continue waging war and buy politicians that will try to become friends with such great and majestic country.
  
  The greatest threat Russia and Putin pose is the level they've compromised politicians throughout the EU, and the fact they've already successfully compromised big tech oligarchs (now cleared for complicit full scale psychological warfare), who are all bending the knee to fascism so quickly its as though capitalism is destined to result in fascism...
Europe has no chance against Russia without Ukrainian military
And yet another politician who has fallen to his own propaganda narrative.
Ukraine defending Europe is a nice tale and from a moral standpoint regarding support for them not totally untrue as they indeed reduce Russian abilities. But the EU alone spends more than 3 times as much on their military than Russia is doing with their war time economy now and has more than 2 million trained soldiers (actually trained, not Russian meat told which side of the rusty rifle should point to the front... also not getting a minimal crash course like Ukrainians to then have to figure it out on their own) in peace time and before reserves.
So go home, you are obviously drunk.
He knows he's fucked if the US doesn't keep fueling the war machine, but I doubt the MIC would let Trump end the war even if he wanted to.
I also believe that the war would end sooner and more favorably towards Ukraine, but to the headline: He is right, but two countries in Europe have nukes.
- You have to wonder if there's a single Ukrainian alive who would now willingly give up nuclear weapons, if they had them again. One of the tragic side effects of all this is the harm being done to countries' willingness to disarm in the long term.
  
  I wouldn't fault them for not doing so. I also wouldn't fault Ukraine for pursuing nuclear deterrence as well. Europe has, frankly, failed to properly equip Ukraine to defend itself with conventional means.
  
  As far as i know, those nukes weren't able to be deployed without the soviet codes. Soviets maintained control both of the launch sequence and operational control. At most, Ukranians could have used parts of them. At the time Ukraine disarmed they had no nuclear program in place to produce more or retrofit the existing nukes to new launch methods. They would have had to start from scratch. It also painted a target on their backs that at the time nobody could have done anything about to protect them. I cannot imagine a better outcome for Ukraine in the present had they chose to keep the non functioning nukes. Russia was going to come for them had they not given them and Ukraine was coming to terms with its own independence happening just 4 years earlier.
  So yeah, disarming in this specific situation was the only choice at that time for Ukraine. You can't just grab another country's nukes and use them. They are made specifically so you can't do that, so that they can be deployed in allied countries without significant danger to the manufacturing country.
  
  Are you basically asking if there are Ukrainians with about 2 working brain cells left?
  Nukes are totally useless there. What would Ukaine have done? Thrown a nuke at Donbas the moment Russia mass moved troops out of there to annihilate parts of the territory they claim for themselves? Or shot a nuclear armed missile at Moscow in a total escalation probably triggering mutual large scale nuclear destruction?
  Ukraine with nuclear weapons would have done exactly the same against an Russian invasion as Russia did when they began to lose territory in Kursk... nothing while loudly talking about how they totally could do it any day now... in hopes some retards in Europe believe that tale.
Its always funny when they start to believe there own propaganda. 😂
- Troll ^
  
  You really think that the very countries, that are the only thing preventing the ukraine from loosing, wouldn't be able to achieve at least the same results for themself with the more on resources and manpower they have?

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