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Bernie Sanders wades into MAGA Civil War to trash Elon Musk

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Bernie Sanders Wades Into MAGA Civil War to Trash Elon Musk

Summary

Senator Bernie Sanders criticized Elon Musk over his support for the H-1B visa program, calling it a tool for corporations to replace good-paying American jobs with lower-wage foreign labor.

Sanders cited data showing U.S. companies laid off 85,000 American workers between 2022 and 2023 while hiring 34,000 H-1B visa holders, arguing this undermines U.S. competitiveness.

Musk, who credits the visa program for his success, defended it, stating he's ready to "go to war" over the issue.

The debate has divided MAGA conservatives, exposing rifts within Trump's coalition.

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No Bernie let them fight. "Never Interfere With an Enemy While He’s in the Process of Destroying Himself."
- Oh he's absolutely letting them fight, he's just stoking them up more playing into the big issue splitting the republican party in two.
  
  Yes it’s perfect.
- It's more like throwing a pork chop into the middle of a dog fight and running away lol
  
  I'm worried this gives them a common enemy.
  
  To me it feels like he threw a sealed gas can into a fire
- Bernie always was MAGA but not for the slogan but actually to improve people's lives.
  
  Well take away the "again" because America never had what he wants.
- Strong disagree. Keep them riled up. Make sure musk isn't able to distract them.
- I generally agree with you but I think there's an exception to every rule, I mean, he just dumped gas on the MAGA dumpster fire. What's wrong with that?
  Also, love me some barqs my dude.
- I think the expression is "Don't interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake."
- I don't know man I think now would be the perfect time for aoc to take the opposite side of bernie and then both sides of musk vs maga can point and say they are working with the dems
smarter choice to attack elon, trump wont be with us that much longer in the grand scheme of things. good chance he passes in office. one way or another
- I'm honestly shocked his brain hasn't been devoured by syphilis yet, I guess he's listening to the experts around him juuust enough to take the abx, but if he's got sodium or other diet restrictions no way he's following them.
  
  I'm constantly surprised that he hasn't farted himself to death 🤔
- Lets hope that massive pile of breathing human excrement passes his last mushy liquid mound of stool in his depends while sitting in the oval Office. Jd Vance is also disgusting but he had half a spine when he told the truth that trump is America’s hitler. Sold out his morals pretty quick to be American hitler’s vp though
- He took off the mitts to throw fucking hands!
Elon credits this for his success? As in he successfully got one after being here illegally?
- I read it as him saying Tesla, SpaceX, etc. couldn't have succeeded without H1-B visa workers.
  
  That's pretty obvious to anyone who has to work with H1Bs. They are far from technical experts, but they know enough in their one very limited breadth of knowledge that they can do certain things quickly and for extremely cheap.
  Then they use the far more expensive FTE engineers to fix things obviously outside their scope of expertise. This is the part that is still "too" expensive for Musk. The "bet" is that with a sufficient number of H1-Bs you can have enough to have each one contribute their limited expertise and interface with the work of another H1-B.
  The optimization, if my numbers are right - is that you should need 2-3 H1-Bs to replace a single more entry-level FTE engineer. 3-5 H1-Bs could replace a Senior Software Engineer in some cases.
  The goal is to get these H1-Bs here, basically get them to do grunt work, and give them education materials to shore up what they lack. In a free market, this would make them far more valuable, but the H1-Bs are locked into their price point. Dissenters get blacklisted and deported.
  
  Werner von Braun?
Put a hold on that popcorn. It's not a civil war. Elon and Trump are in agreement. What's happening is some MAGA supporters are going through the five stages of grief. They seem to be somewhere around anger and bargaining. Trump conned his supporters like he conned his employees before them. Now Trump supporters are working their way to accepting Trump was always going to enrich himself and billionaires at their expense.
Now would be a good time to start pulling people away from MAGA. People need an alternative. Taking the wealth of billionaires as well as the source of their wealth would be a good start. Not to mention systemic change to our government's institutions.
- Now would be a good time to start pulling people away from MAGA.
  I don't know a single maga who has the slightest chance at being turned. All the magas in my life are just people who I know are either 1) Willfully ignorant or 2) Hateful.
  What I'm pulling them away from is any relationship with me and my family.
  
  The same is pretty much true with my family as well. However thanks to the internet we have access to a larger subset of people than just our families.
- How about MANS.
  Make America Not Suck.
  Their whole shtick would jive with a thing called MANS too.
  
  That's the thing. It's not enough to only be against something, although we still need to do that too. We have to be for something. We should definitely pick things we would be happy with too.
  Thinking back to school, I had an ethics teacher ask the class what we thought the meaning of life is. The consensus from the class was whatever we believe. Then our teacher asked a follow up, in that case, what do we believe it means. No one had an answer.
  We need to decide what we believe is important to us, what we value, and then figure out the most useful strategy to making that reality. We want to dismantle hierarchies, but that means thinking about what our lives would be without those hierarchies.
  Right now, people are being told to imagine a world without certain groups of people, on the false promise that the elimination of people will improve their lives. We need to get people to imagine a world without certain classes of people. The elimination of class will give us economic freedom so that we will have the means to improve our lives.
He should. They're a few facts away from him being their actual representative candidate.
So now Bernie sanders is pulling a "they're taking our jobs"? We are living in strange times.
- He's been consistent on these issues for a while. "Open borders? That's a Koch brothers proposal."
  
  Sanders cited data showing U.S. companies laid off 85,000 American workers between 2022 and 2023 while hiring 34,000 H-1B visa holders, arguing this undermines U.S. competitiveness.
  He's against 85k americans getting fired, and being replaced by LESS immigrants.
- “The cheaper the labor they hire, the more money the billionaires make,” Sanders added.
  So now Bernie sanders is pulling a "they're taking our jobs"?
  Honestly can't tell if serious
  
  What if I told you that illegal immigrants are essentially slaves, and far cheaper to hire than visa holders?
- Aren't these separate issues? I won't pretend to know much about this, but it does seem like some companies are taking advantage of H-1B employees.
  
  That’s the point Bernie is making, American companies are firing American workers to hire H-1B at much lower wages.
- Those immigrants are basically being worked as indentured slaves whose only way to remain in the US is to accept whatever bad deal the corpos throw at them. IF the immigrants were guaranteed the same wages with no dependency on their employers to stay in the US and look for fair work, he would have far less of a problem with it. On a level playing field immigration is okay, but if the corpos basically import slave labor it's not.
  Right now H-1B visas are being used to play the foreign working class against the domestic working class, this is precisely what he argues against.
- That’s because Elon isn’t supporting H1B out of his love for immigrants or immigration. He’s supporting it because he knows he can pay them less. He’s a capitalist douchebag selling out the country to lowest bidder
  You’re the one dancing to this capitalist’s tune
Bernie had his chance and so did the rest of the paid off Democrats
gloves on both sides are off and even if Democrats magically win the next election nothing will change
once Bernie dies someone else will be appointed to be the single nutjob that appears to be on the side of the citizens all for show
- I'll bash on the the DNC leadership any day of the week but I don’t know what you're trying to blame Bernie for.
- Look at Bernie's entire life of fighting this shit and say that again.
  
  No one is ever pure enough for Verdant Banana's purity test. But you'd think they would at least take time to be happy that Harris lost considering how hard they tried to make that happen.
- Bernie Sanders left the Democratic Party in 2020 and is an independent. If you're going to bash someone for their affiliations, at least check first.
  
  And he only went from I to D in 2016 to run on the D ticket.
- checks history
  Troll account disregard 👍
- Moron alert

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