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I'm still not convinced Luigi is the guy but if he is..

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The sooner we realize the "left vs right" battle is a facade put up to distract and divide us, the sooner we realize what terrifies the upper class: we're much stronger together.
Unless you're a Nazi, then you can get fucked.
- Bernie said it in 2000. The right uses single issue tactics to divide us. The real war is against the rich and poor.
  
  Bernie has been speaking truth to power on this longer than I've been alive, which is why the ruling class killed both his presidential campaigns.
  Now, we're seeing the logical conclusion that plays out when people feel like there's no way to win this fight at the polls.
  
  No, police arrest and kill rich black people in the US too.
- https://apnews.com/article/business-nancy-pelosi-congress-8685e82eb6d6e5b42413417f3d5d6775 (Pelosi defends lawmaker stock trades, citing ‘free market’)
  Our political "left," ladies and germs.
  
  pelosi ain't left at all. not by a long ....road
  
  Exactly their point, it's not left vs right, it's the ruling class vs the laborers
- But how will red Fascists justify their governments if they can't claim the people wanting freedom are evil?
  What of course doesn't disagree any bit to what you said. But expect some coordinated and well founded opposition every time you try to claim "left" and "right" are bullshit.
  
  That's true, but the opposition has shown their strategy already: to redirect public unrest towards marginalized groups and social policies, and away from the bourgeoisie. The result is right-leaning people getting captured in a funnel that starts with "society is too woke" and ends in full blown fascism.
  So how do we counter it? By maintaining a grassroots effort to bring people out of that funnel by showing worker solidarity and uniting against the ruling class.
  If you push someone away because they voted for the wrong candidate or don't agree with you on some social cause, some fascist talking head on YouTube will be right there to swoop them up.

Exactly, this isn't about left vs right. He could've been a flat earther and the rest of his actions would still be valid.
- And the landscape of US politics is so fucked at this point that which "side" somebody is allegedly on based on donkeys and elephants, or whose podcasts they listen to, or who they retweet is really only an entertaining starting point to determining what the hell their views actually are.
  I'm sure plenty of "right wing" Republican voters actually would agree with us here on a lot of things once you broke down individual topics -- possibly with a little bit of rephrasing of things, and after you punched through the layer of bullshit, lies, racism, identity politics, and incessant fearmongering over non-issues that the GOP slathers all over everything they say nowadays.
  Liberals and conservatives generally actually agree on these two core concepts, vis-a-vis:
  We want the government to provide for us what we think everyone ought to deserve to get, and
  We want it for "free."
  
  Pretty famously the Affordable Care Act polls pretty well with both parties whereas Obamacare polls very poorly with Republicans. One would find that odd considering those are two different names for the same thing
  
  I'm sure plenty of "right wing" Republican voters actually would agree with us here on a lot of things once you broke down individual topics
  I wouldn't be surprised. USSA, unlike Europe, is politically homogenous. Instead of 100500 different parties it has only right wing and more right wing party.
  And there was video demonstrating what you said.
- Voting for Kamala Harris to stop Trump: "The Democratic Party didn't provide good enough options!"
  Making a class hero out of a spoiled rich kid: "We'll take whatever we can get!"
  
  Taking out the evil CEO of a multi-billion dollar company built to take advantage of people makes him less of a spoiled rich kid than some random cunt getting on the internet and spouting his opinions like anyone gives a shit.
  
  Let's be real: he will be remembered for his actions, not for his background.

Any proof that he is right winger, that's not made by some fundamentalist?
Because last bullshit I read is that he was right wing because he liked technology...
- I read he complained about "woke" a lot.
  
  Idk what's more woke that offing a CEO.
  
  I complain about Woke a lot and I'm a dyed in the wool leftist to be fair. There's a broader spectrum of opinion out there.
  
  What I read is his friends identified him as economically leftist, but took issue with identity politics
- I wouldn't say "right-winger" - he was apparently a "rationalist" aka gray tribe, a loose philosophy that places rational thinking above ideologies.
  https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/crime/luigi-mangione-gray-tribe-manifesto-twitter-brian-thompson-b2663767.html
  
  They are very right wing lol
  
  Greys are into eugenics, they’re weird.
  
  The idea of being a 'rationalist' or 'realist' is literally almost always just one finding excuses to not call themselves nihilists
- Because last bullshit I read is that he was right wing because he liked technology…
  Man, I miss technology being left-wing.

Class solidarity is exactly what we need, and if billionaires and multimillionaires break rank to join us, we most certainly can welcome them, with caution of course.
- A liberal who realized something was wrong is something a lot of leftists once were. Accepting him should come from a place of empathy.
  
  Can confirm, gave up on the whole "Democracy will repair itself" thing after the election.
  Call me naive, but I really had hope the majority of Americans would at minimum be willing to vote against a rapist/insurrectionist/fraud
  
  Absolutely. I feel empathy for the United CEOs family, while also recognizing they are going to be financially fine. They also have a chance to reflect on any grief and how affected families may not be sympathetic for valid reasons. Whether they do or not depends on whether they value healing, or greed/retribution.

Left Vs. Right is old and busted
Poor Vs. Rich is new hotness
- Seriously. There have been profiles of his online interests. He clearly was not a political partisan. What he was more than anything was anti-establishment. He was a big fan of both AOC and Joe Rogan. However, the corporate media is doing what it always does - try to divide us along artificial partisan lines.
- An MIB reference?
  I salute you friend.
  o7
  
  Indeed it was

He nixed a deep right oligarch because they were killing people.
I don't know what label you really want to assign to that, But it current it doesn't seem very Right Wing thing to do
- In American politics left and right have no meaning anyway
  
  Yeah you're kind of need to clarify these days whether they're the Right looking for upper middle class tax breaks, or the right that's looking to use the police to hunt non white people to extinction, not that there's not a significant overlap of those two circles but...

See the problem for them is, this isn't a political issue, this wasn't about some political rhetoric attacking some mysterious foe, this was a human struggling to relieve their pain because of a corrupt system designed to squeeze every last penny from its victims.
You can't pit us against each other over this, you can't create boogeymen over this, because you are the boogeyman this time, but we're not afraid of you anymore, we know how to scare the boogeyman now.
- Luigi was loaded, he probably could have easily paid off all his own medical bills without insurance. Luigi's dad is the current head of Mangione Family Enterprises.
  I think he did it because he thought he could get away with it, and maybe he will.
  
  Luigi isn't Muad'dib
  
  His motivation was to merk someone just to get away with it?
- I think that the left/ right spectrum is outdated, or at least the definitions we give to each.
  I mean, originally the left/ right divide was about whether to keep King Louis XVI around or to have him beheaded.
  The spectrum we know as a communism vs capitalism scale really was useful in the cold war when those were the two sides of a bipolar world. When we still use this as the measuring stick, things become super confusing in the 21st century. Our world is no longer a communist vs capitalist struggle. Russia and China aren't communist like the Soviet Union. The United States isn't the same democratic state that it was in 1960.
  I don't know what our new spectrum is, that's going to be the research of the next great political scientist, but I do think the old tools we've used are no longer helpful. Some are saying "woke vs unwoke", some are saying "populism vs. globalism", and some are saying simply "chaos vs order". Perhaps it's a little bit of all, or perhaps we should throw spectrums out altogether. Either way, if we use old tools for modern problems, we will end up confused. It's like how jazz is seen as a super complex genre- it may simply be because we still use the music theory of 18th century European composers to try and understand Miles Davis. Of course it's going to be a wild ride.
  
  On the other hand, if we continuously move goalposts, we risk changing definitions so much that being anti-slavery would be "explicitly left", and as most people tend to stick close to "center", whatever it could be, this can really change the political landscape.

The political spectrum is fake bullshit made to divide the working class. The only ideology of the oligarchs is the acquisition of wealth, and they will assume any political persona in the pusuit of it.
- I'd argue that, among the working class, the right wing of the political spectrum represents either the expectation/ambition to gain much more than others, or distrust of the left, commonly driven by following capitalist BS or having certain reservations or misunderstandings.
  
  That’s just economics though
  The right still pushes for religious liberties and gender identity while the left looks to abolish those things
- Love it or hate it, political ideologies exist, and they exist on some spectrum
- Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power.
  George Orwell, 1984
  The practical ethos of every authoritarian in history (including the self-styled "champions of the proletariat") is:
  It's not just that I have a lot; it's that I must always have more than everyone else, and they must be compelled to desire this. Forever.

Luigi Mangione is the median American voter
They’re confused because they still believe the dominant divide in US politics is liberalism v conservatism. It’s not, and it hasn’t been for some time. Increasingly, even if they lack the exact language to explain it, voters do not identify foremost as Democrats or Republicans, progressives or traditionalists, or even left or right. They identify as pro-system or anti-system.
- I feel like there are very few people who are truly "pro-system" (mostly just the super rich)... Even in the pro system category I'd say the majority aren't pro system so much as they believe the system is broken, they just also believe the system can be fixed while playing within the rules of the system itself.

Personally, idgaf what his alignment was, I know his action’s alignment was chaotic good.
- He rolled 20 on ambush

I couldn't give less of a fuck what his political ideologies are.
It never even crossed my mind he was on the right nor that he would be on the left.
I will say, doing something for the greater good is a very leftist ideology, however doing something out of anger and vengeance would be more universal. Regardless of motivation, the thing he accomplished will (hopefully) be something that inspires change, specifically in regards to healthcare in the USA.
I'm not an American, and your healthcare, or lack thereof, isn't really my problem. That being said, I'm more left leaning, and I believe in social programs (like healthcare for all). I have government healthcare where I am and as someone on the lower end of the "economic ladder" let me tell you, it's pretty great. Sure, I might have to wait longer for some procedures, but if I'm upset about that, I can go to my GP and have my feelings checked.... for free.
- Serious question... If you believe in social programs then, wherever you are, what makes you "right leaning"?
  
  Actually, that's a typo. I intended to put left leaning, I thought I put left leaning, and reading it back a moment before seeing your comment, I noticed the error.
  Whoops. My bad.
  
  Problem more of a traditionalist
  
  Are you asking all of us? I'm personally a constitutionalist. That never used to be right-leaning, but it's now forced in that camp. Im also a staunch supporter of biological women's sports staying that way, and opening categories that incorporate trans men and trans women together in one. Much more interesting sporting that way anyway. Includes everyone, you'll see more trans men in sports (very few if none as of now) and you get to keep biological women sports as fair as possible.
  Evil, I know. 🙄
- The only thought I had seeing that was "he was in the right".

I don't care if luigi is a martian, he's a hero in my book

Like many, he was a right-winger until he became the victim of the right wing. Suddenly he became the most extreme example of the "woke" activists he used to attack.
Your commitment to long-term civilizational success, Elon, is not universally shared
It's not even the majority position
What you call the "woke mind virus" cares about one thing only: equality
The levelers want to destroy everything because in the rubble we will all be equal
Tweet reposted by Luigi, worshipping a capitalist 10x worse than the one he shot
- Which is not exactly why we should remain in solidarity with those who started figuring something out, not alienate them based on past views.
  Give him a bit of time, he already started looking through some of the BS.

My enemies wear suits. Not silly hats.
I got more in common with the most batshit crazy redhat than I do with any fucking ceo or billionaire.

This is not about class solidarity. If he's right (as in correct) he's right. To deny that because we don't agree on eventing is stupid
- Especially given that he wasn't poor

Facts his actions speak louder than his words

Actions speak louder than words.

actions speak louder than retract, it's not like big companies actually care about doing good stuff they just want to look good to get a little extra cash

It's not about fucking left and right -- It's a class war. Did you ever hear about the French, or maybe even American, Revolution? Dethrone the King, aka the ruling class.

we're all communists after all.

Apparently, the left is only willing to set fire to themselves for "protest," while it's the right-wingers that are actually willing to off capitalist parasites.
The old anarchists must be turning in their graves.

Right winger means "person who shoots CEOs"? Well tattoo a swastika on my forehead and call me traditional because I love right wing ideology now.

In my heart He is a winner winner chicken dinner

Ofc capitalist media gonna smear this guy and libs gonna pile on with memes like this.

I'm not necessarily convinced either, it does seem really convenient how they found him.

No ear but class war.

Haven't heard that he's a right-winger, but he is a prep school valedictorian, Ivy League graduate, grandson of a wealthy real estate developer, who did his tech job remotely from Waikiki. Solid working-class stock.

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