I'd like to think they're all just Russian trolls but increasingly, I think some people are just selfish or dumb.
I'd like to think they're all just Russian trolls but increasingly, I think some people are just selfish or dumb.
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Pretty sure people are gonna die regardless of which genocidal wacko is elected.
then might as well elect someone who will do good things in other sectors instead of removing medicaid and deregulating industries
People are going to die no matter what. It'll be different amounts though. One of the two has called for Israel to "finish the job" and constantly talks about how he likes what they're doing. The other condemns it, but is criticized that the administration isn't doing enough, which is fair, but also I know who I'd want to win if I lived in Gaza. I don't think the people there care how good you feel about "keeping your hands clean" and acting morally superior. They want to live, while these people want to play games.
Have you considered listening to what they actually say as opposed to projecting your own beliefs onto them?
Have you? I've listened to quite a few. Sadly, dead people can't say anything though. I hope they retain the ability to speak.
Are there any major Palestinian organization that have endorsed Harris?
An endorsement is not the only part of support. Giving an endorsement removes your leverage. Why would they endorse her if she's not doing what they ask? She's the better option, but they still want more from her than she's promising, so they should withhold their endorsement.
Sometimes I think you people don't understand politics or power structures, then I realize it doesn't matter and you aren't actually arguing from reason.
No, the reason you just laid out is literally my exact reason for not supporting her. Why would you lay that out and then claim I'm unreasonable or don't understand things for following the exact same line of logic?
Not giving an endorsement isn't the same thing as wanting people to not vote for her. Giving an endorsement is the end of negotiations. Once you give it up, you're done. Obviously they aren't going to do that, but it doesn't mean they don't think she's the best choice, unless they endorse someone else. Until they do that, it's telling voters to do what they think is best on their own. What's best for Gaza is obviously Harris being elected instead of Trump (and there isn't anyone else it could be).
There is zero difference between and endorsement and telling people to vote for someone. It's literally the same thing. It's pure idealism to think otherwise.
Have any Palestinian organizations told you to vote for Harris? Or are you, again, putting your own beliefs into their mouths while refusing to listen to them?
There is a large difference. The "uncommitted" movement, a group of pro-Palestinian, anti-war Democrats who led the push to cast protest votes against President Biden during the primaries, declined to endorse Vice President Kamala Harris for the White House, but also said they would not encourage supporters to stay home or vote for third-party candidates. OK, so don't stay home or vote third party. What are they actually advocating for? Surely not Trump. They must be implying to vote Harris without endorsing her because, again, that gives up their leverage.
Here's another article about the same thing. At the same time, the movement’s leaders stressed that they oppose Donald Trump and are not recommending that supporters vote for a third-party candidate because doing so could help elect Trump. ...“We must block Donald Trump, which is why we urge Uncommitted voters to vote against him and avoid third-party candidates that could inadvertently boost his chances
So yeah, I'm not putting words in their mouth. You just aren't listening and are nieve.
There is a large difference.
There is zero difference whatsoever. None at all. Liberals just like to pretend there is to assuage their consciences. Nobody reasonable actually gives a shit about your purely rhetorical and semantic distinctions.
The “uncommitted” movement, a group of pro-Palestinian, anti-war Democrats
I asked for Palestinian organizations, not an organization of American Democrats. Is there anyone who is currently seeing Biden's bombs drop on their homes who wants you to vote Kamala?
The elections haven't happened yet. Withhold your support for Harris until she changes her mind on Gaza