My journey into it started as I was getting out of religion. Listening to debates about religion had several general philosophy references, so I read about those topics. I had some conversations with a buddy claiming "that's Marxist, that's Socialist" whatevers, and I wanted to learn what those things actually meant and why they scared so many people etc. Basically me not meshing with the ideological beliefs of my peers sent me down some deep rabbit holes lol.
I took a philosophy class in college with a really interesting concept. We read a book about philosophies around the world, then choose one and created a d&d character from what we learned and researched on a specific philosophy. It was pretty chaotic to play d&d at the end, but it was such a great way to learn the real world applications of various philosophies.
C.S. Lewis, specifically The Screwtape Letters. I had been raised very conservative Catholic, and this book was my introduction to moral philosophy, as odd as that may sound given the overtly religious nature of it. The idea that morality has nuance, that an action can be wrong and still not damning, or 'virtuous' and still evil, was a new idea to me in my early teens.
While it would take me several more years to really start learning more definite philosophical concepts, that book was the first one that actually challenged me to ask myself why I believed the things I did, and made the case that blind, unchallenged faith was not faith at all. I started paying more attention to the things I had previously accepted at face value, and that examination would lead to me leaving the church and Christianity entirely later on. I still have faith of a sort, but it is more a faith in humanity and an undying and unifying spirit of community than a religion.
Now I have read quite a bit more in terms of philosophy, though not as much as I would like. All thanks to one book about demons trying to send a man to hell.
Marxism, reading theory brought me to Historical and Dialectical Materialism, which also brought me to researching the foundations that led up to Marxism that Marx built off of.
Haven't read Hegel proper, if your goal is to understand Marxism then Elementary Principles of Philosophy is my recommendation. It goes over Idealism, Dialectics, Materialism, and then how they came to form Dialectical and Historical Materialism.
I can't really remember a time before; I was reading theology and religious philosophy from a young age. I do remember when I first started reading philosophy outside my religion, however: I found a book on Buddhist meditation and really enjoyed it. I tried some of the meditative practices in the book and found them really useful, and started seeking out more books on meditation, which led to me reading "Meditations" (the Marcus Aurelius one) and finding that most of the personal practices I already had were hallmarks of Stoicism.
In college I was exposed to a bunch I hadn't yet come across on my own, Plato and Kant and Augustine and Nietzsche; and started reading more fiction with a philosophical bent: Eco, Dick, Hesse... mostly to impress girls. I also got to take formal logic classes in the Philosophy Department as part of my CS degree. I continued to be involved in religious philosophy and theology, too, volunteering with the Interfaith Alliance to organize guest speakers and working as a student leader in the campus chapel. This was back when "social justice" was really gaining ground as a guiding philosophy among the more progressive Christian denominations, and we were all thinking and talking about it a lot.
Since college, I've continued to work through my personal beliefs and practices, but Stoicism, meditation, and Christian theology are still at the core. I've spent a lot more time thinking about political and civic philosophy the last decade, as well. Halfway through my life, I've got a handful of philosophical points I wholeheartedly champuon, and a vast sea of possibilities I'm happy to both critique and defend depending on my interlocutor.
Similar to my path, sounds like. Started when I noticed how much the acceptance of physics theories depended on POV. Already questioning Western religion/philosophy wholesale, Watts got me started looking at multiple Asian POVs, that brought me back to Jung, Gurdjieff, Polanyi and Bohm. There was no cure for any of that, so back to restart with slightly less naive realism. I am, whether or not I think, therefore.
"Any given man sees only a tiny portion of the total truth, and very often, in fact almost perpetually, he deliberately deceives himself about that precious little fragment as well. " — Philip K. Dick
Dean of the philosophy department asked me that when I said I wanted to major in it. My reply was 'well I was going to major in business...'
But seriously I think it was reading. I read a lot, Dostoyevsky, Joseph Campbell, Siddhartha, Sartre. Funny how I ended up in computers with a philosophy degree. My other friend with a philosophy degree is a data scientist at a large blue chip.
I have a degree in computer science, and have always loved learning about computing. Whenever there is some new kind of computer on the market, I try to get ahold of it to learn to start programming for it entirely on my own free time as a hobby. When I got into quantum computing, I got rather frustrated at most explanations on the subject regarding how it worked. I mean, the mathematics isn't even that bad, just a lot of linear algebra. It was the language around the mathematics that bothered me, nobody could give me a consistent description of what was really going on, that is to say, there was no consistent account of the relationship between the mathematics and the ontology of the theory. Really, the theory has no ontology, as the Copenhagen interpretation largely stresses that quantum mechanics represents the limits of human knowledge, so we cannot actually say anything about how nature really is. At that point, I kind of become obsessed over the topic of the relationship between the mathematics and ontology, reading tons and tons of books on the subject, going all the way back to Heisenberg, Einstein, Schrodinger, Bohr, to reading many contemporary authors. It's really natural philosophy that interests me, I have never put much thought into things like moral philosophy or other kinds.
Very interesting point! I feel that there is a lot to say about the ontology in quantum physics; (and I'm interested in that myself).
I've adopted a few views that helped me cope with the practically non-existent explanation of what is really going on:
Our brains are meat computers. Theories talk about the following: What does a computer measure after they have performed an experiment? In other words, theory isn't supposed to be emotionally fulfilling. It is merely making predictions for the computer.
Truth is a lot like the stars. There's one big one, and a lot of small ones. Maybe we just have to accept that quantum physics is all about the many small ones.
I’ve adopted a few views that helped me cope with the practically non-existent explanation of what is really going on:
The thing is, I've been obsessed with this topic for so long that I do not really agree. The purpose of me being interested in the topic is to research and find reasonable explanations, and there is only so many years you can do that before you actually start coming to some conclusions.
These days I am a strong supporter of the contextual realist approach, which the philosopher-physicist Francois Igor Pris has some good books on the subject, but sadly he does not write in English if you only speak English, but mostly in Russian. It is based on the writings of the philosopher Jocelyn Benoist, which you can read his book Towards a Contextual Realism which has a good English translation, it is more philosophy than physics, although it does touch a little bit on quantum mechanics towards the end. Pris's books are more specifically about the application of Benoist's philosophical framework to quantum theory.
Our brains are meat computers. Theories talk about the following: What does a computer measure after they have performed an experiment? In other words, theory isn’t supposed to be emotionally fulfilling. It is merely making predictions for the computer.
I see the purpose of theories as ultimately to be able to predict how things change. If I drop a ball, it falls to the ground, if I drop it again, it falls again, and so I can assume through inductive reasoning that if I drop a third time, it will probably fall again. I could then create a mathematical model which describes this behavior, and so anyone can plug into the model the ball when lifted up, and then run a computation and see what it spits out is a prediction of the ball having fallen to the ground.
I am by no means a utilitarian when it comes to scientific theories, as if I think they are just "useful tools for making predictions and tell us nothing about reality." Rather, my view is that these "useful tools for making predictions" are useful precisely because they tell us something about reality: they capture how reality changes over time. If they did not, they could not be used to make predictions about it.
I think a lot of the difficulty in interpreting quantum theory is that a lot of people see ontology somewhat differently. They think that the ontology is not merely how reality that we can experimentally observe changes over time, but that it must also tell us about some alternative realm beyond all possibilities to ever observe. People for some reason have a desire to introduce additional and unnecessary metaphysics to the ontology of the system, to add things to it we cannot actually ever verify is actually there, and it's my view that if you abandon this temptation then you avoid much of the conceptual difficulties of the theory.
Truth is a lot like the stars. There’s one big one, and a lot of small ones. Maybe we just have to accept that quantum physics is all about the many small ones.
wait - off topic: am i correct in guessing that you read my comment in another thread (about true randomness), commented there and then came to check my profile to comment here? i feel honored (to be considered that interesting).
No, this website doesn't get that many posts so I often keyword search to find things to reply to, and I am assuming your posts just both commented on a topic I keyword searched.