Greta Thunberg is declared a violent participant for her pro Palestine demonstrations.
Edited later to add:
The original press release seems to be gone now, but here is what is claimed to be the revised release, and an article on the same topic.
https://www1.wdr.de/nachrichten/polizei-dortmund-greta-gewaltbereit-100.html
https://www.yahoo.com/news/german-politician-calls-greta-thunberg-102611513.html
Yes. Greta is well known for her violent tendency to be limply carried away by police from protests where she stands there...violently. have you seen the graphic photos of police carrying her away? It's a wonder they survive the encounter.
The news in Germany is also shockingly biased. Obviously things like the Bild were going to be, but even on more mainstream news, you don’t hear about Palestinian casualties, nor do you hear interviews with Palestinians or Israelis against of the war (at most you get an Israeli who’s slightly critical of methods, but still thinks Israel should be actively defending itself). If you’re a German who doesn’t look at international sources for news, it would be very strange not to support Israel, based on what you’re hearing. It’s infuriating, but it’s also difficult to change. I don’t know what it would take for the German media to stop supporting them.
I do not know what you're reading or watching but the SZ for one has been reporting both sides quite frequently. I've just yesterday read an interview with a Palestinian-Israelian and a Jewish-Isrealian on the topic of how the West is still too hooked on the premise of two seperate states and that in their vision for peace a federal union with an unbiased and lawful constitution would be best.
I do not know if I am too unconcerned of that particular conflict right now, but it does bug me that it seems that there is barely any voices in between on the internet and most public voices. You either have unconditional support for Israel or you have people calling Isreal genocidal and comparing the state to Nazi-Germany.
How either of those sides wants to solve the issue is beyond me, if both sites keep their stance without even trying to debate on the problems (granted you have people in power on both sides of the conflict, willing to change, which I frankly don't see at all) there will not be any solution for this. Because right now Israel will bomb its neighbours into oblivion while they are being played as puppets by Iran and other invested countries or you will have to dissolute Israel which the USA and Germany will not (and in the latter case cannot) allow. So much for advocating for peace on both sides.
A lot of Germans still remember the 1972 Summer Olympics massacre in Munich and the aftermath like the plane hijack to free the captured perpetrators and are therefore biased against Palestinians, suspecting a lot of violent people among them. It's not a good environment to protest.
German here: if you take peaceful demonstration as an option away from people, they are left with two options: being resigned or non-peaceful demonstration. The German stance to hinder peaceful demonstration against the Israeli atrocities is stupid and labeling Greta Thunberg as primed for violence is beyond stupid. And the majority of Germans has no active memory of the 72 Olympics incident.
I’m guessing they’re feeling guilty for the holocaust and as an apology, they’re letting the jews in Israel do one of their own.
As a German: Our government, as an apology, is letting the Israeli government do a genocide of their own. You were so close, and then you took the anti-semitic turn by referring to "the jews" :(
However, also as a German: While I do absolutely wish Israel was forced to stop the atrocities they commit, and pay reparations, I believe that - given our specific history with the state of Israel and what Germans did to the Jewish population of Europe just ~80 years ago, there are plenty of states in the world that are better candidates to take an aggressive political stance towards Israel, before Germany does.
Some of us are still very much committed to absolutely defending the absolute right of Israel to exist as a state, while also (albeit sadly less of us) there are people who at the same time see the war crimes committed by the Israeli army and secret services against civilian populations of Gaza & Lebanon.
But the German government can not just take the side of Palestinians here, not because the current Israeli administration does not belong in jail, but because there are those who will - should the pendulum swing to the other side again - ask for revenge / war on Israel / commit crimes against Israeli civilians. Or, as we already see, use the violence in the middle east to justify hate crimes against Israelis or Jewish people in other countries.
Those who do the killing are evil on both sides, and those who do the suffering and dying are mostly not the same group of people - neither in Israel, nor in Gaza or Lebanon.
Long story short - Germany is stuck between a rock and a hard place in this, and it is MUCH easier for virtually any other country in the world to speak on behalf of the Palestinians. Doesn't mean we shouldn't speak out, but I can understand why German politicians are very carefully weighing their options on this.
The concern is legitimate, but it falls into the same "never again - to us" pit Israel fell into. Another potential framing one could take of the issue - one I feel is more helpful - would go something like: 80 years ago, the world got together to help save Germany from itself, and it's time to return the favor, hopefully before it gets completely out of hand like last time.
It's sad, but also makes me really angry, that "pro Palestine" and "supporting Israel" are now seen as polar opposites.
Also, the ongoing war is in no way connected to the 1940's Holocaust, apart from the obvious "they're both unspeakably horrible".
The holocaust led to more jews going to the holy land which lead to the creation of the state of Israel, which since its inception has had expelling the Palestinians as its main goal. Palestinians rightfully so started resisting through different groups which has lead to Israel doubling down on its genocidal motives leading to today. They are connected just not as obviously as other events.
Israel cannot exist as a concept if you support Palestinians right to exist. They're fundamentally incompatible.
Imagine declaring violent someone for their demonstrations against a genocide
This is how it works these days. And in a convenient framing, antizionism has disappeared from the MSM vocabulary. It's all antisemitism now.
Greta is an absolute freak.
Her basic decency, which I have to assume is some kind of random genetic mutation, risks putting our species in a forgivable light.
Not cool Greta. You could at least throw some trash on the ground or something to fit in.
wow I never would've thought Germany to be in favor of genocide. I guess there's a first for everything.
Feels a bit like a cheater letting their spouse be abusive to them because they feel so guilty for cheating. Germany fucked up so they're going to let the victim do whatever, even if what the victim is doing is wrong.
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The press release has since been updated and a correction issued:
https://www.presseportal.de/blaulicht/pm/4971/5882017
The assembly leader of the Palestine protest camp informed the Dortmund police today that Ms. Greta Thunberg wanted to visit the assembly in Emil-Figge-Straße. Following an examination by Dortmund Police Headquarters, the latter issued an order banning the camp.
The Dortmund police carried out a risk assessment for the assembly. The announced visit by Ms. Thunberg led to the conclusion that there would be more people at the venue than stated in the assembly registration. The time frame specified in the assembly confirmation would also have been exceeded. The recent events in connection with Thunberg were taken into account in the assessment. After intensive examination as part of a risk assessment, the Dortmund police headquarters ordered the ban and the associated dissolution of the assembly.
The assembly leader announced on site that the assembly had ended and arranged for the camp to be dismantled.
I get where they're coming from since you could consider her voice as a weapon. Now sit down and shut the fuck up, the kids are talking. They gotta unshit this goddamn world since everyone before either stopped trying or advocated to make things worse.
Eh, it's a screenshot of social media...
Would 100% be nice to have a link of the article in the tweet's screenshot, but it doesn't seem like enough to remove the post.
I found the website, but it's in German, and I dont sprechen enough Deutsch to find a "translate" option, so here's an English source.
https://www.dw.com/en/greta-thunberg-says-germany-silencing-pro-palestinian-cause/a-70443304
If you're asking for the text of the tweet to be copied pasted to be inclusive for the seeing impaired, that's a good idea but not really standard, so feel free to type it out yourself to assist.
Greta is a shining light of inspiration for every autistic person out there. I was in my mid-30s when she rose to prominence and I want to say that when I grow up I want to be her...
Mossad's Epstein files must be wild.
But also
Epsteins Mossad files must be wild.
She gonna get the Julian Asange treatment
In my fantasies, Greta becomes the most feared revolutionary - like a new age Boudica, and sets the world to rights in a rampage of justice.
added to headcanon
The press agency removed that part now and calls it a mistake.
Oh well it's like it never happened then!
I personally wouldn't mind if protests she support get violent, like really fight the operative systems destroying humanity and ecosystems.
I would not prefer it, but def wouldn't mind, in fact I would still support them. Actually, statistically speaking, non-violent protests arent really effective and still get shut down with violence.
She does get a bit tasty with the old knuckle dusters.
Well they have jumped the shark now.
Germans? No....
It's funny that when misusing words (and laws, which are again words) if they actually literally turned violent, like organised crime or paramilitary force, how wound they classify them then?
Oh, ... oh no, they would be classified terrorists, wouldn't they? (Even without using terror attacks on civilians)
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I say 'oh no' bcs that is the next word they are gonna use when they still protest peacefully:
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"The violent terrorists have brutally sat down & displayed extremely polarising signs about ending genocide, some of the sitting down terrorists even forced the police to use force in self-defence."
I could take her
You'd never expect this from Germany, of all places.
Unfortunately, as a German citizen, that is exactly what you would expect. In hardly any other country is the Israel lobby as strong as in Germany. In Germany, it is very easy for the supporters of the Netanyahu-regime, because the strategic accusations of anti-Semitism against anyone who even mildly criticizes the inhumane actions of the Israeli government weigh all the more heavily here. Regardless of whether it is legitimate criticism of a state - that doesn't matter at all here, nor does it seem to matter how many international laws Israel may break or how many innocent lifes the IDF may take in order to pursue the inherently racist Zionist ideology this State stands for in recent days.
It makes sense that Israel would use Germany's past to guilt-trip it into doing whatever it wants.
Then you don't know present day Germany 🙁
lol
The German Authorities: still keeping alive the Authoritarian mindset and "protecting" those commiting Genocide whilst claiming to represent a "superior" race from "Communists" and "lesser" races.
You can get the Nazi Party out of Germany but you can never get the Nazism out of the hearts of the kind of German who seeks power.
You can get the Nazi Party out of Germany but you can never get the Nazism out of the hearts of the kind of German who seeks power.
Hm, this, but for absolutely every nation on Earth ever, even the tiniest ones, the opposed ones, the ones oppressing others, etc etc.
That's partly true.
Whilst indeed sociopathic assholes are everywhere, the difference in what they end up doing is down to the culture of what's acceptable or unnacceptable and of what is done about the latter in a society.
Judging by what's been done again and again in Germany from even before the start of this latest stage of the Israeli Genocide, the whole seeing of people as mainly members of an ethnicities and discriminating for or against them depending of ethnicity is very much culturally acceptable in Germany, as is the idea that it's more important to forcefully control dissent against the acting on that Racism than it is to respect Democracy.
Sadly the Israeli Genocide has brough into focus just how entrenched the viewing of people through the filter of racial prejudiced and the authoritarian thinking still are there (granted, more the former than the latter), especially compared with Democratic nations with less history of such things: Germany is ending in the wrong side of a Holocaust once again because the lesson culturally learned from the last one was not the Humanist "This should never be allowed to happen again" but instead it was "Germans should never do this again to Jews", a version that strictly assigns victim status and hence deserving of protection on the basis of the ethnicity a person was born into, unconditionally and with no limit placing people into the "deserving of special treatment" category those born in the right ethnicity, as if all Jews were all the same and hence equaly victims and deserving of special treatment, and all non-Jews were the same and equally not victims and not deserving of that treatment. The Racism of this is further confirmed by how the Roma people (commonly known as Gypsies) who were equality targetted by the Nazis, do not receive the same treatment.
Bullshit
This has likely more to domwith Germany still being "mea culpa" about the Nazis, desperately trying to show that they are not against Jews
Maybe.
Either way, calling this a Nazi action is just low
Banning a protest under whatever pretext they can come up with is definitely an authoritarian move. Giving police power to do that is not what a democracy should be doing.
Only a Racist nation would equate victimhood with ethnicity.
The lesson learned from the last Holocaust should've been "Never again shall we allow this to be done to anybody" not the very different and deeply racist "Never again shall Germans do this to Jews".
The way of thinking that sees people as members of a Race and treats them differently based on that did not leave Germany when the Nazis were stopped: all that was done was that the list of "deserving" and "not deserving" races was updated. This is why we keep seeing Germany follow the principle of "even the most horrible and inhuman behaviours are acceptable if those committing them are from the right race", same as they did in the "old days".
Still today there's a lot of Racism in Europe, but nobody else is going around justifying the mass murder of children, and forcefully stamping out on dissent against that mass murder, because the genociders are from a specific race (which, "curiously" is a White one) and the victims are from a different race (which, "curiously" is a Non-White one).
Compared to what the rest of Europe is doing, this is a lot more like the kind of Racism that was the foundation of Nazism than mere run-of-the-mill Racism, and the easy and casual subversion of Democratic principles merelly to stamp out dissent against such extreme Racist official position is another of those ways of behaving common in the "good old days".
Even the very idea that Israel is the same as the Jewish Ethnicity betrays a Racism that sees all Jews as the same and alld represented by and supporting of Israel, profound so even because it denies the view of those Jews who openly oppose the actions of Israel and its actions under its Zionist leadership. Even towards the very people they claim to have a duty to support, the German Power elites cannot stop themselves from being profoundly Racist.
I used to have a very different view of Germany before the Israeli Genocide really brought up just how much guided by Racial Membership the German view of the World is, how extreme such view is in what it will excuse and just how thin the veneer of Democracy trully is there.
It's not Nazism, but it shares the very same foundations of prejudice, authoritarian leanings and lack of limits to what are acceptable actions from the "right" races.
She's a Russian agent trying to get Trump elected haha.
Good for Dortmund police. Palestine protests were disruptive nonsense I experienced first hand in Berlin.
a protest being peacefully disruptive is... kinda the whole point?
Meanwhile your Nazi friends actually set fire to monuments and historic landmarks and people somehow still blame refugees.
Fuck you.
The reason you don't hear about Greta anymore is because she didn't let her conscience stop at climate change. She's a left wing activist fighting for social justice in all things.
The rich will mold her image in history the same way they did for MLK, leaving out all the aspects of her politics that make them squirm.
Same reason we immortalized the child version of Helen Keller. Though she lived to 87.
Or the Diary of Ann Frank. Easier to control the narrative around children than to discuss the politics of grown adults.
Could you elaborate?
I never realized that, and it is kind of messed up. Although I suppose the main thing that happened for her happened as a child, the story of how she came to understand that words had meaning, starting with "water." I suppose I don't hardly know anything about the rest of her life.
The thing than never fails to make me laugh are "fuck greta" stickers on cars or bikes. Especially if it's a little VW golf.
Conscience*
Lol, early morning swipe typing.
Could you elaborate what you mean by that?