The Beehaw project is considering leaving the Fediverse because of some significant challenges
The Beehaw project is entering some significant challenges - Beehaw
I don't understand why they say federation as a whole is the problem. They can always defederate specific instances if they don't like their moderation practices, so why think about leaving federation all together? That would imply that most big instances don't moderate properly, which I don't think is the case.
Why dont more users just block communities and instances they dont like? Thats what I do, and I almost never see the sort of extremist content people have mentioned.
New communities pop up all the time and clog up the All feed with multiple posts, no engagement, and then disappear again. It's annoying.
That's why the subscribed feed exists though, right? Sorting by everything is a good way to find new communities to subscribe to occasionally, but I wouldn't use it as the main way to browse. Of course there's going to be things on there people take issue with, its literally everything.
Because it doesn't work. Blocking hexbear throws an error on kbin. So does blocking users from hexbear. Other domain blocks don't work at all. All the feddit's for example. Hope the next update fixes that.
But it does work for beehaw since they are a lemmy instance…..
Can't speak for kbin, but I never see blocked content come up when I block from sync or any of the other lemmy apps ive tried.
Interesting. When they defederated from .world and others I thought it was just a stop gap until better mod tools, etc could be made. Looks like they're still not able to create the space that they want in the fediverse, months later. That's really unfortunate, on a number of levels, but they need to do what's right for them. I have a few fediverse alts, some of which can interact with Beehaw and some which can't. It'll be a bummer to lose those communities entirely, but I get it.
Can someone ELI5 what Beehaw is? Their post says that the lemmy instance is just part of a large project, but the beehaw website is the lemmy instance. So what is this project? What makes them special? Google also just shows me their lemmy instance and their subreddit.
Beehaw is trying to be a "safe place" social network. They want to be a social network, welcoming to people, but also protect their community. They want people to be nice, and won't tolerate people being intolerant (racism, homophonic, sexist, transphobic, or bigoted).
I'd argue that In a lot of these things their can be some nuance in all those terms but in Beehaw expect a more absolutionist interpretation of those terms.
I understand what they're trying to do. But to give you an idea of what the result is (in my opinion) - when I mentioned free speech there I was lectured that the term is a right wing dog whistle term. I would describe them as a intolerantly tolerant place - either you ascribe to their absolutionist views or you don't. That is just my experience though.
Beehaws influence has been disproportionate as they were one of the bigger communities during the recent Reddit influxes. They don't want to be the biggest, they want to protect and nurture their own community. I get it but I think it was inevitable that would not work with federating.
intolerantly tolerant
That's because it's required to not tolerate intolerance in order to be tolerant.
Free speech is a right wing dog whistle at this point as it's used to justify being able to say whatever people want to say no matter the impact on others. What people who invoke free speech need to realose is that it's protected in public spaces, not in private spaces and it's a purely American thing, even in Canada the freedom of expression doesn't allow people to propagate hate. I don't know where Beehaw is hosted but if it's not in the USA it's even more ridiculous to talk about free speech on it.
When the reddit exodus started they were the 2nd largest instance. When 2 new instances grew close to them in user count they defederated them.
It's clearly their ego that's special.
It was the first instance I signed up for and they rejected my application. I can't fathom the reasoning.
People have accused .world of trying to be the 'new' Reddit but to me it was clear from day one that it was beehaw that wanted to do this. By 'new' Reddit, I mean a walled garden environment. Once they do this it won't be long before they introduce ads etc to the software they choose. Y'know, to 'supprt the site' etc.
I totally understand the desire for a safer space but I genuinely don't believe that that is the beehaw admin teams primary desire. Or if it is, they see it as a marketable USP, not a thing they necessarily believe in. I think from the start they saw the potential for making money and this is just another step on that long process.
And that's how the right wins. The left just goes "we're better than this"... and bails.
I don't think you can derive anything about "the left" from this. You can't e.g. blame users from hexbear for not wanting to bring the debate to others, in fact that's why many instances defederate from them. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Given the extremism I've seen allowed on lemmy, I don't blame them for wanting to bail. It's definitely been killing my enjoyment here.
allowed on Lemmy
Everything is allowed on lemmy. There are no fediverse-wide administrators.
Yeah, I feel like the Reddit concept of having moderators per community isn't necessarily working out too well. When those moderators become inactive, that's quite a problem.
If they can get rid of all the extremist propaganda I'll probably go with them. So tired of places like Hexbear and Lemmygrad, they're 100% killing the fediverse.
I mean just go to a instance that blocked that BS, most did. Fuck them.
Still see hexbear crap on kbin and the blocking feature does not work for that instance and all of it's users specifically:(
Choice of instance seems to matter quite a lot. I've never seen threads from either of those in my feed nor any porn.
Same here. I can only see the drama from afar because feddit.de is relatively strict in blocking other instances.
No one leaves the federation!
Lmao they think federation is the reason no one wants them.
No one wants Beehaw because you do not negotiate with racists and bigots.
Yeah we all understand that they want quality content but its getting ridiculous on their part, its not that hard to moderate if you get some Mods. And if its that hard to moderate it may be because guidelines are either to strict or straight up ridiculous...
They probably are fairly strict, and from my experience the moderators / admins are fairly opinionated on a lot of topics, so it’s hard to grow a large, like-minded community.
I really do hope they manage to stick around in the fediverse though even if that means they will have to isolate themselves a lot. I think the fediverse will be much stronger and better if communities like beehaw can manage to exist in it.
Idk, beehaw isn't the most important thing and i get wanting to grow your stuff, but beehaw is like someone planting a forest of just one specific tree and they kill every other tree, its becoming a echo chamber like hexbear and Lemmygrad where they just keep radicalizing each other.