Civ 7 will potentially launch with Denuvo, based on Steam update

Thou Shall Not Preorder
- Good. Preordering games is the dumbest fucking concept. People need to stop doing this.
  
  But what if they run out of digital copies?
  
  But what if they offer a limited edition Gandhi skin

I will potentially not buy it then.
How many times do we have to teach these companies this lesson? Anti-piracy DRM never stops pirates, it only causes harm to legitimate paying customers. Pirates get the objective better experience playing a game with DRM removed because they not only get the game for free, but it performs better than the version people pay for. Why pay money for something that is objectively worse than getting it for free?
- Nobody's teaching these companies any lessons. They keep using Denuvo because it works, and the games keep selling because the number of people actually bothered by it is pretty small.
  
  Source needed for it actually working to reduce piracy. It's possible, but I'm gonna need sources since we know from history that simply providing a better product does more to increase sales and reduce piracy than anything else. People are willing to pay when they get their money's worth. The ones that don't, weren't going to pay anyway, so there's no actual lost sale.
  It just makes the bean counters feel better and help justify their position.
  
  Yep. Most people have no spine, or even care about it. Whatever, I can waste my time and money on other games. It's not like there's a lack of them out there, even outside of Denuvo, EA & Ubisoft.
- To be fair denuvo is really effective.
  It usually takes a long ass time for denuvo games to get cracked if at all.
  Last I checked there were only two people cracking denuvo, one who only likes football games and one really crazy lady.
  Also the lack of piracy is most important for publishers around launch and that's reflected in denuvo's pricing which IIRC increases substantially after a year or two (this is a fairly recent change)
  So more games have started to remove Denuvo after a while after launch.
  Before they changed it, I believe the publishers got to keep Denuvo at no extra cost if they didn't change the game or something but now it gets more expensive the further from launch you go
- It's wild, I'm one of those patient gamer types but there are certain games that I'd make an exception for and buy as soon as they came out, and Civ has been one of those games as far back as I can remember. But this is gonna be the first one I'm not going to bother with. Between this and the absolutely bonkers price, I really can't justify it. Maybe in a few years when the Denuvo is removed and you can get the full thing for like $40 or so, but no way am I paying $167 CAD for the full edition on day one.

i mean civ is never really worth buying until they put out a complete edition with all the features they removed so they could slowly sell them back to you as dlc.
- Try unciv
- I don't think they really do that. I remember Civ 6 launching with everything 5 had as DLC in base game and the DLCs added new things 5 didn't have.
  
  I don't think 6 had religion or a bunch of stuff originally, it had less content than 5 at launch (forget the civs, just the mechanics). That was fixed in the first major update.
  I'd expect a year or 2 before we can start seeing 7 become the full game it needs to get to to pass 6.
  
  civ 6 literally added diplomatic victory back as a dlc
  
  Except for the Aztecs and Poland I think.
- I find this argument really annoying / entitled.
  Are they supposed to increase the scope of every iteration in the series and take an extra few years to make each one, or are they supposed to never release DLC? which would make you happy?
  
  I don't think you accurately read their comment.
  They're not spending years in development planning and creating new, exciting content. They're holding back basic features from the beginning and selling them to you over time for many times the base game's price.
  
  I would like it to come out with the same number of win conditions that the previous ones had. diplomacy was a base feature in at least the last 2 games before it. it wasn't a dlc feature before. they removed it this time, then added it back as dlc. they do shit like that every time.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand there it vanishes from my Wishlist. Thought after Civ 5 it might be actually something potentially worth buying, but nope. Removing the Launchers just to add Denuvo... What an absolute dumbass move.

I'm gonna wait for the platinum ultimate mega collector's anthology edition at a 90% discount after 7 years.
- I'm still only on turn 270 in my first Civ3 game, don't have time for a newer version, Ghandi's bombers have almost all finished moving this month.
  
  Ghandi must be taking it easy on you.

That's one way to get people to turn to piracy.
- Most denuvo games don't get cracked.
  
  That was true for a little while around 2016 I think. If it's temporarily true again now I don't expect it'll last very far into the lifetime of a civ game.
  
  Is that really true? I guess I’m not up to date enough, but I think most modern games make their way to the modern seas.

Oh. Well I was excited about Civ 7 right until this moment.
Anti-tamper = no mods worth your time = only worth playing a handful of times. Also may have trouble working on Linux.

Guess that's gonna be the first Civ game I'm not buying.

Nope. If it does, I'm not buying it.
- Denuvo?
  More like De-not-gonna... ah fuck that was terrible, please ignore
  
  I'm sure you meant De-no-go. It's alright
  
  lol

And the excitement I had has gone. Removed from wish list and added to ignore list.
- I’ve also removed from my wish list - hopefully they reverse the decision and I can add it back.

I guess I'll keep playing Civ 5, then?
- Unciv is an open source version of Civ V that works on Android and PC, if you really want to lose some hours
  
  Unciv
  A real Civ game that runs on my phone? Well, damnit, my poops are about to become 3 hour marathons.
  
  Mobile games on PC... No thanks.
- Yep they can just let me know when they figure things out.
- Maybe have a look at ARA that's gonna release some time soon. It's made by the civ5 devs and I've played the alpha playtest - so far it looks great
  
  The one title of that type of genre I'm looking forward to. I hope they don't fuck it up.
- One more turn. Best Civ.

Now we can all build cities at 15 fps!
- How now, not everyone can afford a top of the line rig for those kinds of frame rate.

There hasn't been a need for a new Civ since IV so I already wasn't gonna buy it, but now I'm gonna not buy it even harder.
- I play freeciv (an open source civ 3.5 clone) much more often than civ 5 which I bought. I'll agree with you. Newer civ isn't all that attractive.
  
  Civ 6 seems kind of dumbed down to me from previous versions. Besides, I've been having more fun with Crusader Kings 3 lately.
- Yeah... Civ 1, 2, 3, and 4 were all good - for different reasons. Civ 5 was where the design decisions stopped being about gameplay and started being about maximising profit. Making the game functional and fun was lower priority to making paid DLC. Players buy the buggy and unfinished game... then pay more to fix it piecemeal with the DLC. Such is the power of brands and advertising.

Boo

Ha ha ha...no

On one hand, the gameplay doesn't usually change so drastically that a new version matters too much.
On the other, if they did dramatically change up the gameplay it might suck.
So even though they have a decent track record and I love Civilization, I would never pre-order or buy day 1. I'll wait and see if it's actually worth getting. I will also say, in my experience, like 90% of games that used Denovu have not been good in the first place. I can name only 1 I thought was worth its cost, and I only got it after they removed the DRM (Lies of P).
- Judging from the gameplay reveals it seems that they changed some pretty fundamental stuff that makes CIV, CIV. So it will be interesting to see what it's like.

DOA

Guess I'll wait for a nice drm-free cracked version rather than buying it.

Civ 7: "No more turns" living up to the name

Hahaha no.

Thats fine, after 6, didn't have much hype for the series left, guess this makes it easier to not buy.

I don’t like DRM on principle, but I have not noticed any issue with Denuvo and I have never seen any of my friends say anything either. The way people on Reddit and Lemmy act make me think I’m in the minority. What issue do people see that I’m completely oblivious to?
- Many games launch with improper implementations, causing problems. Is not denuvos fault but it is one more thing to go wrong
  Resources used for implementing denuvo and funds for ongoing support take away from the game development itself creating the possibility of less of a game. Denuvo is a subscription, so companies have to keep paying for it. Now they have to charge more for DLC to recover those costs. In both situations, the gamers suffer more than the companies.
  DRM in general means you can't own that thing. Steam is easily cracked if steam went out of business but firaxis or denuvo? If they go under without patching the game then it's dead forever.
  I don't know if anyone has done a study on denuvos effect on game sales, but there have been many studies on piracy itself that show not only does piracy not steal sales, it helps promote good games through word of mouth and the demo->purchase pipeline where users want online features after trying the game. Bad games don't get any boost but i think civ7 is safe there.
  
  I don’t know why my brain just forgot about ownership/preservation, that really is huge deal. Thank you for educating me.

Lords Of The Realm II just keeps winning.

Was looking forward to buying this on release day, but won't if it has that bullshit.

With what?
- A DRM that usually adds annoyances to the end consumer so that the developers don't have to worry about their IP getting pirated for a few months to years.
  Then the pirated version still slows your system down because it bundles a crypto miner

of course, because we can't have anything nice anymore

I probably wasn't going to play it anyway but damn