Wikipedia Removes Jesus' Palestinian Roots
Wikipedia Removes Jesus' Palestinian Roots
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Removed 17:39, 11 November 2023 by "Baruch Benedictus Spinoza"
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What am I supposed to be looking at? I couldn't find anything of the sort in the edit history. I did find this in the "Talk" page, however:
I can't go through the 1000s of edits, however March of 2023 has:
Modern scholars agree that Jesus was a Jew of 1st-century Palestine.
And sometime after Oct this was removed entirely, along w/ some new additions about him being Jewish.
This line was added well before 2014, so the removal is as of the last ~6 months if you wanted to help me find the user that edited it via a binary search.
Edit: I have added the exact date/user that added it and have requested they re-add the line. If anybody has a veteran Wikipedia account; please help.
Weren't all Christians Jewish in the first couple hundred years? They weren't considered separate religions until later, way after Jesus's death.
Many, not all. Paul’s letters established the practice of converting to Christianity directly from polytheism without assuming Jewish practices first.
That said, on the eve of Christianity, Many Romans casually adopted parts of Jewish belief and practice, sort of like celebrities in the 2000s doing Kabbalah. So the line of who was and wasn’t Jewish was kinda blurry. At least before the council of Nicea and Constantine, most Christians were probably considered Jews by the Romans, and Heretics by the nascent Rabbinic movement.
Paul converted Gentiles, the Johannine school was likely mixed, and the First Council of Jerusalem was largely about the independence of Paul and the lack of a need for Gentiles to follow Jewish Law. By 150 the vast majority of Christians were non-Jewish in ancestry. Many of the 1st/2nd century Church Fathers, like Irenaeus, Clement I, and likely others were non-Jewish. You also had non-Jews worshipping the Abrahamic god for at least the 1st century BCE
You can generally break down the early branches of Christianity into three cross pollinating branches
Jewish Christians - Lead by the moderate Peter and the more strictly Jewish James. Largely died out or was subsumed by other branches.
Pauline Gentile Christians - What became the main branch of Christianity in organisation.
Mystic Christianity - This includes both the Proto-Gnostics and the Johannines. Highly mixed in with other mystic/apocalyptic Jewish and Middle Platonic sects, and largely comprised of fairly educated Hellenistic Jews and Gentiles.
Their relative education and theological hot-housing meant that the Johannine school ended up cross-pollinating with the Pauline school and almost co-opting their theology (the Johannine Irenaus and composite theology of Justin Martyr shooting down the "hyper-pauline" heresies of Valentius and Marcion.)
Wasn't that third category wiped out by the early orthodox Christian sects (i.e. the Catholic church)? Was the heresies of Valentius and Marcion part of that?
AFAIK most gnostic sects were deemed heretical after the biblical canon was established and killed.
Yeah, in the 2nd/3rd century.
But as many scholars have noted, the Gospel of John is more in line with mystic (not necessarily gnostic since most of these sects did not assume a demiurge) sects of the time than the more "grounded" synoptic gospels.
The difference is John's followers were not obviously contradictory to Pauline Christianity and were cross pollinating by the late 1st century