4d ago

I got banned from Hexbear (in my opinion!) unreasonably, cannot appeal the ban or anything because my account is based in Lemmygrad

NOTICE:

I realise now that the main problem here was my post on Hexbear, It was shitty and failed to get across my actual views. I still wish I could've been allowed to properly discuss it, but I understand the decision to ban me. Looking at my original post, I can very much get why that is ban worthy, even though that wouldn't be my decision. What happened happened, as much as I'd like to further expand upon my views, I'll try not to waste your time by trying to explain my views that I fully do not understand, that I've developed throughout the process of arguing with people in the comments. I feel silly for making this such a big deal, sorry. You could look through my replies here to see a further expounded on version of this post here. It really boils down to misunderstanding and semantics, I agree with most of the substance of the comments on this post on their face, it is just that often argued in favour of things I didn't mean to. My view of anti-Semitism boils down to, yes it is present, but it is not systemic. As I already mentioned, you can look through the replies if you want to see more of that

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You already admitted your title sucked, but your title alone is worthy of a ban imo. Idk about permanent if you're willing to to take some criticism, but writing off the rest of your post as going "I guess the title was a little inflammatory" tells me you're more interested in justifying your pov.
- It sucks in without the context I provided here. It was, as I said here, made in the context of liberal Zionist, regular Zionist and "pro-Palestinian" people unnecessarily centering anti-Semitism when it is, realistically, fringe
  
  Can I ask you something here? It seems to be a sticking point for you, this idea of anti-semitism being fringe. If that impression is correct, why is it a sticking point for you and what do you feel is important about insisting on it? Because I can get not liking how zionists co-opt, but taking it a step further, to insisting in such a way that makes it sound like anti-semitism is a non-issue, seems to be what is the crux of the problem here.
  
  My main argument here, that I failed to properly portray in the post on Hexbear and which I probably could've expanded on further here, is that anti-Semitism does not take the form of state repression. Anti-Semitism exists in the same sense that anti-white racism exists. There may be some who genuinely don't like white people, though that does not translate in any meaningful way into the machinations of the state. There is no institutionalised anti-white sentiment, same applies to Jewish people. This is not me saying anti-Semitism doesn't exist, it does. People do call Jews bad things, slurs, or otherwise. But racism, more generally, is not individual incidents of hate crimes, it is the wielding of state power to repress one group or another, a group which is made to be racially inferior.
  I wouldn't want it to be a sticking point myself. I am trying to, in some vain hope of being unbanned, explain myself properly. I would've liked if I was just made a punching bag in the posts comments, then moved on, but I was banned and now I feel the need to defend myself.
  
  Anti-Semitism exists in the same sense that anti-white racism exists. There may be some who genuinely don’t like white people, though that does not translate in any meaningful way into the machinations of the state.
  I see. I can see how you'd arrive at comparing them, but I think we should make clear here that whiteness is a distinctly "fake" thing. That the reason anti-white racism is not taken seriously isn't just because there is a lack of a state oppressing white people, it's also because whiteness derives from white supremacy as a construct. There is no whiteness without white supremacy. But there is Judaism without zionism.
  We can also contrast on the fact that Jewish people have had historical periods where they faced mass discrimination enabled by a state and white people never have and by definition, can't. People can be prejudiced against those who are considered white because of the harm that the institution of whiteness does and the people who act in its name, but there is no threat of a state deciding white people are a minority people to scapegoat. There is still the possibility of Jewish people being victimized in this way again.
  This I think is an important distinction that may be part of the problem, if you land on the wrong side of it.
  
  I want to add to my own point a little here, for my own closure of train of thought if nothing else:
  That part of why the thing with white supremacy is so unique is because white supremacy is effectively derived from a particular state (or I guess probably multiple of them at this point in history) defining whiteness as a certain thing that exists and defining what constitutes whiteness, which can shift based on their whims over time. For a state to "oppress" white people, we end up going down this contradictory path, where such a state would somehow need to adopt the same views of what constitutes a white person as white-defining states (which would implicitly mean said state is agreeing that white people exist, as such, and are a superior group - so we're already not off to a start that makes much sense for oppression) and then it would somehow need to discriminate and marginalize them really badly (but they'd also have many places to go in the world that would accept them as white and whiteness has no specific homeland or heritage, unless you count brutal colonization as a heritage, so this wouldn't really mean much). Jewish people, on the other hand, could pretty easily find themselves in a discriminated place again, including from white supremacy (which is where it came from in the holocaust, no?). And zionists weaponize that insecurity of position by portraying israel as the solution (but it's not and it's just a thinly disguised settler-colonial project that is being funded by white supremacy).
  
  what is the base for your analysis here? is the richest person in the world sieg heiling on a national stage not enough antisemitism for you?
  
  I'm sorry I was not able to properly explain it to you, I'll try to portray it better to you. I did not make it clear in my post on Hexbear and on here, so here is my more "developed" analysis:
  I do not think anti-Semitism is present within the state. There is no analogue to the oppression of Black and Arab people's around the world to be found here. Anti-Semitism exists within the individual, it does not in any meaningful way translate to state policy. Elon Musk is probably an anti-Semite, but his views haven't been expressed through the use of state repression of Jewish communities. I drew an analogue to anti-white racism here, as in, like in this instance. You can say derogatory things about white men, whiteness, but extrapolating that to mean there is institutionalised repression of white people is false.

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