It's Women's Fault
It's Women's Fault
It's Women's Fault
Get the damn basics right. Look after your personal hygiene, dress well, smell good, smile, show respect and practice good manners. Congrats, you are now significantly more desirable.
Go outside and stop blaming women for everything.
"You should smile more!"
Whew Lad, you must be projecting.
I'm a man, I'm lonely. Why? Because I spent the last 30 years building a career and my social circle is tiny. My personal hobbies and interest took a back seat to building my company, helping my wife through a 2nd and then 3rd Masters Degree, and raising my Son.
Personal Hygiene? Showered at least every day. Dress Well? I'm in collars, slacks, and dress shoes at least 5 days a week. Smell Good? Yeah, got it covered. Smile? Yeah, got it covered. Show Respect? Yeah, got it covered. Practice Good Manners? Pretty rich coming from you.
Go outside and stop blaming women for everything.
You have a child's understanding of the world around and lack empathy. Go read a book.
You're presumably middle aged, and you're married with a family. You're not the person the meme is targeting. Way to ignore the first 3 panels.
Should we also show "empathy" to Klansmen who joined up because they claim to feel disenfranchised by society? Give them a pat on the back? No, we tell them why their belief system is backwards and help them turn away from it.
Your idea of empathy is why the Andrew Tates of this world can thrive. Worthless sentimentality and obsession with civility rather than seriously challenging toxic ideology. It's the liberal way.
Should we also show "empathy" to Klansmen who joined up because they claim to feel disenfranchised by society?
Well, yes. No qualifiers. Full stop. Ask anybody who's successfully done it. Arno Michaelis is particularly good at turning white supremacists back to the light because he was one, and knows the mindset.
Changing somebody's mind and world-view always starts with listening empathetically. What you don't offer is sympathy for abhorrent beliefs. It's hard to make the distinction, but that old saw about education granting the ability to hold a notion in one's mind without accepting it is relevant. I would argue that maturity means learning to offer kindness while maintaining strong personal and moral boundaries. Self-righteous fury might feel good, but it'll never get through to a Klansman, or an incel.
So, yes, you have to show empathy, but certainly not a pat on the back. Those are two different things. It's hard to hold the line between them at times, but it's the only way to effectively reach people with backwards belief systems. Frankly, I feel like a lot of people would rather be self-righteous than effective, because it's easier and feels good, and that's what I see in the too-common conflation of understanding with approval.
Your idea of empathy is why the Andrew Tates of this world can thrive. Worthless sentimentality and obsession with civility rather than seriously challenging toxic ideology. It’s the liberal way.
OK, but you're not actually offering a materially viable alternative to any of the underlying systemic issues that cause either of those problems.
It is also the liberal way to challenge bad ideas, as ideas only and not actually do anything about the underlying material causes & incentives that produce those ideas.
Kick the bastard misogynist influencers off social media platforms and educate young men on having healthy relationships with others starting from school age. Or we can try the tired old idea of debating fascists and hope they act in good faith and defeat them with our kindly words.
underlying systemic issues that cause either of those problems
Systemic issues is a very vague concept. What causes young men to latch onto misogyny. Poverty? Mental health issues? Lack of meaningful employment options? Or do we circle back to blaming it on women and feminism again?
1000% yes let's do something about it materially. We aren't nearly tough enough on this poison infecting men's minds.
Kick the bastard misogynist influencers off social media platforms and educate young men on having healthy relationships with others starting from school age.
Correct.
Systemic issues is a very vague concept. What causes young men to latch onto misogyny. Poverty? Mental health issues? Lack of meaningful employment options? Or do we circle back to blaming it on women and feminism again?
The two fundamental things that drive misogyny among men are the intensity of inequality between men themselves (more specifically, the degree to which men with property can assert themselves over men without property), and the degree to which men can be integrated into some kind of productive social relationship with other men & women.
Very few men actually start with the premise that "Women are Dishwashers." That's a political claim that they arrive at after consistently losing out to other more socially, or economically successful men, and subsequently internalizing their position in that dynamic as immutable natural law.
You’re not the person the meme is targeting. Way to ignore the first 3 panels.
You are correct, this wasn't targeted at me and I didn't fully absorb the content before replying to it. I'm going through a rough patch and it clouded me for a bit.
Should we also show “empathy” to Klansmen who joined up because they claim to feel disenfranchised by society?
There's a chasm of difference between empathizing with a Klansman and empathizing with people who followed a normal, and I use that word loosely, cultural track. The two are so distinctly different that comparing them is absurd.
Your idea of empathy is why the Andrew Tates of this world can thrive.
That guy and the way he lives his life are disgusting, do not associate me with them.
It is telling that you took, "stop blaming women for everything" personally to the point that you decided to insult them.
Do some self-criticism.
And you are also an ignorant idiot and an asshole. The lack of empathy and understanding here is absolutely baffling.
You are the clown in the meme.
Of the two of you, you seem more hateful
Oh no, hate against stupid misogynistic and anti-feminist talking points. How awful.
My dude, you are the one here basically claiming that the only reason men are lonely is them being bad hygiene women haters. It's literally misogynistic.
Blaming a societal breakdown of connection and interaction on men is just as misogynistic as blaming it on women. Stop being a part of the problem.
I'm basically claiming nothing of the sort pal. You know what else is an epidemic? Violence against women and girls, fuelled by far-right social media influencers preying on young men. Inceldom is a disease and treating these people like they're just poor victims of societal ills is bullshit. They know what they're doing, they encourage and glorify mistreatment of women.
I'm simply saying that finding companionship in life doesn't need to be a whole field of research and analysis for young men. Get the basics right, and you can find a partner.
To hell with the kid gloves treatment of bad actors. You want to help young men, tell them the truth about the people they look up to and give them proper guidance.
You know what else is an epidemic? Violence against women and girls
Men and boys are victims of violence at an order of magnitude greater frequency, you just don't care because you hate males, so only female suffering bothers you.
What's your source on that? Your arse? If we're going to go with pathetic cheap shots and strawmans, I think you're an incel who hates women and doesn't care about violence against them.
Go boil your head you halfwit.
What’s your source on that? Your arse?
Good luck finding a single source in any country that has females being on the receiving end of violence more often than males per capita, overall.
I think you’re an incel who hates women and doesn’t care about violence against them.
That's because you're enough of a fool to think caring about male suffering is misogynistic. All I did was point out your deliberate blindness to the suffering of half of humanity, by describing the half that is assaulted and killed less, as the half with the 'epidemic' of violence against them.
It's like when the reaction to 11% of journalists killed the year before being women is to say "stop targeting female journalists". You're so deeply sexist that the 89% who are male don't even land on your radar.
If this meme was focused on incel-dom then i would agree with you, but it literally states "there is a loneliness epidemic", and trying to imply that people who are lonely are incels is outright wrong. Many men (and also women) are lonely, but not because they don't "have the basics right", nor do they blame women in any way. Societal loneliness is a real and growing problem that affects more than incels.
The clown man is an incel/misogynist, hence the top panel "women are dishwashers". Objectification of women > increased social isolation > blaming it on a male loneliness epidemic caused by feminists rather than assessing his own beliefs and behaviours.
I think people have completely misunderstood this meme and are reading it as "haha male loneliness" rather than a meme taking a shot at incel self-inflicted misery.
It is using male loneliness as the punchline of the joke. If it is meant as "the male loneliness epidemic is the only reason I'm single" then I have no problem with that, but currently it reads as if the loneliness epidemic is an invention of incels
Why don't you ask the OP what it means?
Lol but you're supposed to heed the call to hate women
Woah, woah, woah... Easy there Casabonita.
When you say "look after", like every how many weeks are you suggesting we brush our teeth? i don't want to spend half my budget on toothpaste. My cryptos aren't doing great.
But when you say "show respect" I get it but like how much time do I have to wait until i can stare at their cleavage? Or like.. idk what's the code word I have to use so they feel respected and provide me with cleavage staring time? I guess what I'm trying to ask is... regarding this hypothetical "person" I "respect", what are the exact verbal and nonverbal steps I must follow in order for them to immediately perform my fantasies but me not provide anything that requires any kind of emotional, physical, financial or creative effort at any given point and how do I make them think I am willing or able to conceptualize them as "real people"?
If you could just link me the cheat sheet you use that would actually help a lot. ty
It's an incel meme, thus the clown makeup he applies to himself. I think people are reading this as a literal flow chart, instead of a parody