Murple_27 @ Murple_27 @lemmy.ml Posts 1Comments 100Joined 5 mo. ago
Kick the bastard misogynist influencers off social media platforms and educate young men on having healthy relationships with others starting from school age.
Correct.
Systemic issues is a very vague concept. What causes young men to latch onto misogyny. Poverty? Mental health issues? Lack of meaningful employment options? Or do we circle back to blaming it on women and feminism again?
The two fundamental things that drive misogyny among men are the intensity of inequality between men themselves (more specifically, the degree to which men with property can assert themselves over men without property), and the degree to which men can be integrated into some kind of productive social relationship with other men & women.
Very few men actually start with the premise that "Women are Dishwashers." That's a political claim that they arrive at after consistently losing out to other more socially, or economically successful men, and subsequently internalizing their position in that dynamic as immutable natural law.
Your idea of empathy is why the Andrew Tates of this world can thrive. Worthless sentimentality and obsession with civility rather than seriously challenging toxic ideology. It’s the liberal way.
OK, but you're not actually offering a materially viable alternative to any of the underlying systemic issues that cause either of those problems.
It is also the liberal way to challenge bad ideas, as ideas only and not actually do anything about the underlying material causes & incentives that produce those ideas.
Your single existence might be ephemeral, but humanity isn’t, your community isn’t, and possibly your family either
It is though. Life has existed on this planet for just under 4 Billion years and in that time over 99% of all species to have ever come into existence have gone extinct.
Your community & family are no less ephemeral than the life you yourself live, but you won't get to see any of that.
If we lose trust in our community or in humanity in general
I never had a reason to trust them to begin with, tbh.
It’s so fucking embarrassing I wish I could literally just not be my gender for awhile.
You should probably delve that particular line of thought more deeply, tbh.
Female encroachment on what has traditionally been considered male spaces is not taken well. Female empowerment is considered taking from deserving males.
The problem is that in the context of a "winner-take-all" society it does do that though.
Obviously the general solution is to make a society that is overall more equitable between those who succeed & those who don't.
But if you aren't going to do that then you will get a reaction from those who are losing ground, even if that happening is the morally progressive outcome.
If the rule you followed brought you to this, of what use was the rule?
I'm kinda confused about who is supposed to be who...
The actual top answers to the questions seem to be reasonable tbh. IDK what you're getting at here.
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I almost stopped reading at the first four words, tbh.
it’s pretty easy for people to become lonely losers in an anonymous, world class city and it’s pretty easy to learn the names and relation to capital of most people in a tiny rural village within a few weeks and a few conversations.
the interface matters less than the person and their will to meet and connect with others.
I think that different localities can effect different people, differently. Granted this is mostly moot at an individual level, because we have very little control over the social contexts we end up living in; but like humans are kind of born instinctually wanting social connection with others. It's the inability to pursue or receive it, that leads to people learning to live without it; or hardening themselves against it.
you can be the most deadly tier 1 operator to ever live, trained in every martial art known to man, and a ball of pure muscle and freakish dense bones with crazy reach
…and still be dropped by a semi-coordinated group of willowy, gangly attackers (with a plan of attack) that combined might only barely hit your weight class
I would contest that this is entirely dependent on what the state of weapons & armaments technology of the day is. It's not as if Knightly Castes have never been an effective paradigm. But either way this dude was jumped by like 30 people, seemingly of both men & women. The personal qualities of whoever is being entrapped is not the most relevant factor in this situation.
(article was linked below, by the way)
Fair enough, I had not seen that it had been linked in the thread before I started responding to your post, and after having read the article I can now conclude that this is way more insane than what either of us seem to be arguing for.
Apparently this was a coordinated ambush by at least 30 campus students of mixed company (that is to say both men & women), and they were actually students at a private Roman Catholic college. So while I'll concede that this is probably not a consequence of "Age Gap Discourse", I also don't think you can credibly reduce it to "Angry Young Men Venting Misogyny". This is actually like some kind of insane Youth Q-Anon Brigade.
I know of a not-insignificant portion of young misogynistic guys who are angry at women their age for dating older guys instead of them. They were around even when I was the age of the guys in this article and that was a while ago. I always felt like that fed into a lot of guys buying into the Alpha Male discourse that come around later. Probably related to incels too, but not sure which came first.
I do not deny that there are lots of men who get mad about women dating other men, for lots of reasons. My issue here is with the unevidenced assertion (we don't have the original article here) that this assault specifically is being driven primarily by that specific specie of brainworms. People like to ascribe every bad thing that happens only to their opponents, and never to flaws in their own house.
You mean the conspiracy theory that ::: spoiler CW Sensitive topics. "Washington D.C. Lizardmen are trafficking elementary-age minors using a Pizza Restaurant as a front organization"?
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Yes, I'm aware of that. It's also an obviously unrelated form of brainworm to what's going on here.
I would figure maybe this was caused in part by conservative Catholic anti-sex brainworms and young guys feeling ownership of women their age and jealous that their classmates are dating older guys instead of being their Catholic trad wife. Hook up with a guy a few years older and we’ll lynch his ass? That’s the message.
I mean, c'mon here. The people who have been yelling about "age gaps" for the last 4+ years have not been Conservative Catholics & Incels. This is 100% a "cultural-left", radlib phenomenon.