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  • I don't understand misogyny at all. What's it all about? If you were homosexual and were raised in an ancient Macedonian army or something perhaps you wouldn't see a mother, sisters, daughters, lovers, work colleagues, neighbors, friends but who lives like that? Boys who live in front of a screen and are too anxious and scared to go outside? Racism I can kind of understand if you only have superficial knowledge of other people and cultures.

    Once that testosterone kicks in at puberty women aren't generally a physical threat to men. I don't really understand all the fear of them. Some women are really, really cool. Like serious friend material and lifelong partner stuff.

    • A woman is absolutely a threat to another human. Any animal that size is. That you think women are harmless is ironically, misogyny.

      There's a couple of.good books about this - Delusions of Gender by Fine and Sex, Lies, and Brain Scans. Basically we have implicit and explicit biases in how we expect people to perform roles. However, these biases aren't based in fact. When we police other people's behaviors based on these biases, or otherwise force others into roles we've developed, it's bad/abusive.

      Women are a special type of role, because that role generally means they have babies (ofc we all know many women who don't have babies). The ownership of their baby making ability is likely why men created the patriarchy, to endanger women by other men, to force women into proximity of whatever man was able to support them. This, and the narrative that men should fuck as soon as they feel any sexual urges because that's "being a man," form the basis for their abuse of women over thousands of years.

      Imagine how damaged all our mitochondrial DNA is from our mothers because of this, generations of trauma. And further, the eggs that made up YOU, were inside your mom as a baby, when she was inside HER mom. Meaning your grandma's stress during and before pregnancy with your mom, had a direct impact on you as an egg. And further further, you get 100% of your cells from your mother, and 50% of your DNA. But every cell of life in your body came from your mother. Her stress and abuse has caused damage to the human condition imo and it is therefore vital to treat women well even if you only care about men.

      And a key piece of taking good care of humans, is freedom and bodily autonomy, which form the basis for respect in most animal species.

      Which is why misogyny hates all of that and why misogynists also tend to like hurting animals too.

      • Honestly, this argument comes across to me as a horrible mangling of different pop-sci concepts to construct a victimology. There's good evidence of the mechanism by which stress and trauma induce epigenetic changes in organisms. (Selective methylization regulating expression of genes.) There's some evidence of epigenetic changes due to physiological trauma passed down through germ cells. But it's a huge leap to ascribe mtDNA damage to psychological experiences.

        The mitochondria have a degenerate genome, a tiny amount of DNA with (looking it up) 37 genes to support the processing of energy into ATP to power the cell. It is susceptible to epigenetic changes, which leads pretty directly to a number of metabolic disorders, but I can't find any evidence that those changes result from life experiences of an animal. The idea that mtDNA has accumulated generations of damage from sexist trauma beggars logic, too, because there's just not a lot of room to collect damage, and that damage leads to health problems fairly directly. If one got every cell of life from one's mother, in turn, she got it from her mother, and so on all the way back to the first eukaryotic life. All of those generations of trauma, how are we even still living?

        Furthermore, the assertion that "men created the patriarchy" ignores actual history and context. One simply cannot ascribe a singular intent to a class comprising billions of individuals across time and space. At best, one could describe patriarchy as an emergent phenomena of societies and cultures. About half of the individuals in those societies and cultures were women, so you'd have to conclude that women helped create patriarchy, unless you deny their agency or intelligence.

      • Puh what a rant.

        I actually just want to correct you on one thing and I am also Not sure what you really meant.

        But we dont get 100% of our cells from our mothers. We get the mitochondria from our mothers. The cells that enclose those mitochondria are perfectly 50/50 after fertilisation.

      • A woman is absolutely a threat to another human. Any animal that size is. That you think women are harmlessly is ironically, misogyny.

        Yes all people are potentially dangerous.

        But the biomechanics in adults are very different and need to be recognised. Statistically the physical intimidation is mostly one way when you account for sexual dimorphism in height, weight, reach, muscle mass etc. There are always exceptions but women live in a very different threat environment. That isn't misogyny.

        If people tend to hate what they fear and mysogyny is literally hatred of women like what the fuck? Perhaps some men are terrified of emotional harm. I can understand that but perhaps they would be better off with some therapy or a bit of self awareness.

      • Look. My mother gave me more than enough trauma as a kid. I don't need you telling me she started before SHE was even born.

      • This is a perfect description of the male and female meta. It is why males are stronger. Not to protect or lead, but to control through fear and violence.

        It's a priviledge men developed a higher sensitivity to oxytocin to compensate for a lower expression of the stuff. Enabling men to give a damn about someone other than their desire to dominate. Men can love their partner, their family, friends, their pets because of this.

        Chimps ain't that lucky, and males would rather watch an orphan die from neglect (and eat it) than take care of it. The males are known to kill females for showing assertive behaviour.

        Same goes for prolactin in the brain, that makes humans more monogamous and increases a desire to protect something you care about. It never was a male feature before, but it became one in humans. It even peaks after the baby is born and the father is exposed to seeing his baby. Over time, similar adaptations to the brains of pregnant women, are seen in father's brains. Which is amazing.

        Men ain't that bad, but old habits die hard. Men are more aggressive, stronger, more impulsive and less afraid of consequences on average compared to women. Those who were better at avoiding male aggression, lived longer. Hence why estrogens play a role in stimulating brain development in areas essential to risk assesment, consequence sensitivity, resistance to suicide, thinking ahead, planning, reading emotions (of themselves and others), learning and memory, reducing own aggression, communication and impulse control. Giving women an edge in academical performance despite there not being a statistical difference in intelligence. (Imagine if men had these boons instead...)

        While all those obvious "big scary male" traits in men makes them seem like a bigger threat, women are well equipped and know how to dominate and eliminate people indirectly.

    • Power to control women and force them to have sex with you. A bit like rape, but less crude.

    • They don't hate women, they just like to dominate.

      80% of car accidents here are caused by wreckless driving by guys.

      Guys are more dominant, and dominating women is viewed as misogyny.

      Do not misunderstand. There's no hatred for women.

      Except in niche cases like my mate that got his heart broken at age 15 when he was fat, then he went on and dated 5 girls at the same time because he didn't trust them. Then basically kept 1 of them and is now in a long term relationship. The one girl never knowing that he did that.

      He was raised by his grandparents/single mother.

      His dad went on to have a 2nd family where he wouldn't be a deadbeat father. So it's kinda idk.. it's his stuff.

      So I guess there can be some hatred for women when it comes to having a broken heart and trust issues. But that's mostly for young guys.

      Hating people is mostly a dumb thing to do, but it's not always a choice. You get your heart broken, love turns to hate until enough time passes before it can become indifference and you move on.

      Racism.. 14 year olds are idiots. They segregate themselves by how they look and sound like and start fighting with eachother.

      Russia phobia 😎 well, they done fucked up didn't they?

      What else do we have...

      Sinophobia.. scary government bruv

      Western phobia.. I'll let LMs write that one out

      Phobia's a normal thing, gets eliminated by long term communication

      • As a fat highschooler, ehen, as a fat woman highschooler, i got rejected so many times. Never once did it make me hate and distrust men. Because every person is their own.

      • Wrong. Wrong wrong wrong.

        https://youtu.be/NNnIGh9g6fA

        Please take the time to listen to this lecture. It will genuinely help you and it's very entertaining imo.

        Testosterone causes enforcement, not aggression or dominance of women. Enforcement. Sapolsky did a famous study on baboons about this, amd we also have a human example - Buddhist monks who go around "enforcing" peace by chanting and praying etc.

        Men hate women because they believe they should, they abuse women because they give themselves permission to do so. No other reason. Anything else is an excuse and justification for it. Read "Why Does He Do That?" By Lundy or "Stop Caretaking the Borderline or Narcissist" to learn more.

        Bigotry is a product of narcissism, which is based in delusional beliefs. A narcissist may never get better. A racial narcissist example is a white supremacist ("my race is best"), which is obviously delusional, which causes narcissistic supply every time they confront it and refuse to let the delusion be corrected. They then will act out, eg say racist slurs, to enforce their racial narcissism on others to satisfy their brain chemistry (it's deeply uncomfortable to resist unlearning delusional beliefs when faced with evidence, so they satisfy the histamine with adrenaline rushes included by being antisocial).

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