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Spend money and consume!

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I don't think anyone says the Ghibli filter is copyright infringement. You can't really copyright an art-style. It's just kinda a dick move.
- I think you'd have to have a pretty unique style but if you could come up with one, you might be able to trademark it rather than copyright it.
- Why is it a dick move?
  
  Because Myasaki has very publically spoken about thinking AI generated stuff is horrible and soulless, and that he'd never use it. Them coming out with a Ghibli filter felt like it was a reaction to that.
  
  Miyazaki, the shit take machine deadbeat dad who's kinda known for being overall somewhat of a cunt? That miyazaki? His opinions don't matter to me personally.
  I expect to be burnt at the stake for this but SMH you people are falling over yourselves over someone just because he made good anime.
  
  He wasn't a deadbeat dad. He was a workaholic and distance father, but he provided for his kids.
  He was a workaholic and expected the same level of commitment from his employees, not more. He frequently reanimated whole scenes while his eyes would allow it. Difficult to work with? Sure. Cunt? Nah.
  His work consistently had anti-war, pro-environmental and pro-worker/socialism themes. He made something more then "good anime".
  I'm wondering what shit takes you think he has or why they should outweigh his other accomplishments.
  btw, Miyazaki grew up around his uncle's plane factory. That's why he has an appreciation of flying scenes and why he made Wind Raises, which really isn't pro-war when you start dissecting it.
  edit: He also has some of the best written female characters, each unique and sensible for the story.
  
  As I said, two things can be true. He's a dick, but I still think he's right about this.
  
  Well for one, they didnt come out with a Ghibli filter, they just removed restrictions on imitating art styles and using ghibli style just became a trend.
  And honestly who cares what Miyazaki thinks? He's famously stuck in the past, stubborn and kind of elitist.
  
  brushes off block button
  "I need you again old friend."
  
  A lot of people care what Miyazaki thinks because he created over a dozen films that are beloved by millions because of their artistry, is well respected in the anime/manga world, and is generally regarded as a master of his artform. People tend to take your words seriously when they have nearly 50 years of experience and success behind them.
  
  Yeah and JK Rowling created one the biggest and most popular series of all time.
  That doesn't mean her opinions deserve any sort of special consideration.
  
  The issue with Rowling is more that she started talking out her rear end about something of which she doesn't have much, if any, understanding. If she gave you advice on writing YA fiction, it'd be worth something. Miyazaki is a visual artist broadly respected for his art, so his opinions on visual art have some weight. If it was about the cultivation of kumquats, I think I'd ask a farmer.
  
  Yeah maybe, but I would be willing to bet a lot of money Miyazaki couldn't tell you how stable diffusion worked if his life depended on it.
  
  Almost no one knows how SD works. That's not the point. He's not contrasting it against some other GenAI concept to compare training cost. He's looking at it based on the results. You don't have to know how to build a CPU to compare benchmarks for ones built by someone else.
  
  Except how AI works is pretty crucial to the entire anti-AI argument.
  The amount of people that claim AI just collages together pieces of existing "stolen" art and use that as an argument against AI is ridiculous.
  And your CPU example isn't great since you would be comparing CPUs to other CPUs, it would be more apt to talk about someone who doesn't know how a computer works to demonise computers in general and advocate doing maths by hand instead.
  
  Actually, yeah, that's a bad metaphor from me. Comparing benchmarks would be comparing AI models.
  He's not comparing benchmarks. He's comparing results, so it's more about maybe error rate than processing speed.
  I guess it's like comparing the result of an approximation versus an explicit computation. GenAI makes an approximation of art. It very quickly spits out something that looks a bit like the intended answer. It even gets you close enough to be totally satisfactory for some purposes, in the same way 3 can be a usable approximation of π for some purposes. However, the picture is not the full purpose of creating art. Art is a form of communication, transmitting something from one mind to another using indirect means because telepathy isn't available. AI is not trying to communicate anything. It's just an approximation of something someone could say.
  Miyazaki is someone with years of experience in creating art so he understands the 'language' of art better than some. He has 'fluency.' AI images hit the uncanny valley for artists because they are attuned to the difference between what an art is supposed to look like vs what the imitator approximates. They have the fluency to spot the fake the same way you might be able to spot someone speaking your native language as a mother tongue vs out of a phrasebook. Because he is 'fluent' in art, people take his words on art seriously, just as one would generally take a born-and-raised German's words seriously regarding German grammar.
  
  I am honestly not informed enough to say whether the whole Ghibli trend grew organically, or whether it came from OAI marketing.
  And yeah, Myasaki can be a bit of a dick, but I don't think he's wrong here. I worked with both LLM and image generation for some personal projects, and you have to coax it a lot to get anything halfway usable, and even then, it isn't great. Even stuff that's heralded as exemplary by the corps behind the trend mostly seems kinda shitty.
  Also, even if you like GenAI, most of the stuff that OAI is doing right now feels like desperate attempts to keep the hype train rolling, to justify their frankly ludicrous valuation.
  
  Goodbye

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