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Joe Rogan Nods Along As Mel Gibson Claims His Friends Were Cured of Stage 4 Cancer By by ivermectin, fenbendazole (another animal dewormer), and methylene blue (a fabric dye)

www.mediaite.com Joe Rogan Nods Along As Mel Gibson Claims His Friends Were Cured of Stage 4 Cancer By Alternative Medicines

Mel Gibson told Joe Rogan that several of his friends were cured of stage 4 cancer with alternative medicines like the horse dewormer ivermectin.

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Just FYI, ivermectin is also a human dewormer, ir is very used in poor countries like here, Brazil
- Everytime I hear it introduced as "horse dewormer". The bias is already made clear.
  While Mel Gibson is clearly off his rocker in that Ivermectin can't do jack shit against cancer... So is OP for acting like it's not safe for human consumption. It's safe for consumption even at 10x a "normal" dosage (with all the Covid-19 studies showing that while more or less ineffective for COVID, not at all harmful otherwise at up to 3000μg/kg.... or 15x a typical dosage http://ssrn.com/abstract=3714649).
  IVM has been used safely in 3.7 billion doses worldwide since 1987
  It's 100% safe... and boatloads of it have been given to humans for longer than most people arguing about this shit have been alive.
  Source: https://www.eurekaselect.com/article/41838
  TL;DR... While probably useless for anything that people recently attribute to it... It's safe for consumption as a general rule.
  
  Bud they're tricking idiots who need actual medicine into taking something that won't help, and that gets people killed.
  
  And lying by stating its for horses in a manner that makes someone assume it's not for humans at all resolves what?
  
  Because all the people taking it for COVID (and probably trying to cure cancer) were not getting it from the doctor. They were getting it from Farm supply stores . Everyone was calling it horse dewormer because that's what it was. They were not going to get a prescription. I know because I live amongst these dummies that were asking on Facebook which one to get from the farm supply, what flavor was best, etc.
  
  First you're going to have to define "they". The people that I unfortunately live around are part of this "they" group with your implied "all the people taking it for COVID" definition. All of them simply got the pills from Mexico, where you can walk into any farmacia and pick up boxes upon boxes of the stuff for like 1$ per pill. They're setup for this down there... and talking to them when I was last there nearly 100% of their purchases come from the USA. And just like you, I can link a store, even several!
  https://medsmex.com.mx/store/stromectol-ivexterm-ivermectin-6-mg-4-tabs/p-4734.html
  https://arecovpharma.com/medications/products-covid-19
  https://mexipharmacy.mx/eng/item/3686/veridex-ivermectin-4tab-6mg
  This is way more common than your nonsense "well people are ordering from the farm supply store!"
  I think either one of two things... You've fallen for a troll with your "dummies on Facebook", or you're lying, unknowingly or otherwise, in your claim that this is how "everyone" was getting it.
  Once again (because it's apparent that at least half of lemmy is incapable of reading based on the downvotes), I'm not stupid enough to think that Ivermectin does anything useful for COVID-19. But just because you saw 1-2 people on Facebook say something completely fucking dumb doesn't mean that the whole of people taking the drug are doing it that way, or that the normal non-horse paste version of the medicine is hard to get a hold of. This is literally one of the most by dosage consumed medications of the planet. Very few people are taking the horse paste version of this thing when the pills are so readily available.
  And even then... EVEN THEN, so what? Let the idiots eat their horse paste. Hopefully they choke on the filler and society becomes smarter for it... The drug itself is shown to be safe (though ineffective for what they're hoping for). One of the links I posted previously showed no ill effects for up to 3000μg/kg (which only tested that high... not that it wouldn't be safe at higher dosages). That paste you linked? is 200 μg/kg for it's target 1250 horse. So for a 200lb human is 1250μg/kg. Well within "safe" tolerances, assuming they're eating the whole damn tube. Laugh at them for being stupid sure, but I don't see where ivermectin as one of the cheapest most taken drugs on the planet needs to garner a bad wrap from this. It's saved boatloads of lives over it's ~50 years in service now. It's not "horse" dewormer. It as a drug is good for just about any parasite removal in just about ANY living animal... of which humans are indeed animals.
  
  It is labeled for horses primarily. Approved for and customarily used on animals first. You know, humans don't get many worms where the drug was invented and made. It's like, some adults wear diapers, but when someone says diapers the user you picture is a baby. You say Ivermectin, and anyone that knows anything about it thinks horses. It's used by vets more than doctors. It's available, I believe, over the counter, at farm supply stores. Humans require a prescription, in the US, anyway.
  Sometimes public ridicule is an appropriate remedy when social conduct is harmful yet not illegal.
  In context, Mary Mallon was medically quarantined against her will, for life, because she refused to stop knowingly spreading disease. She broke the social contract. The social contract requires basic personal hygiene. The horse paste people anti-mask types are breaking the contract; they waste medication, they take up medical resources, and they knowingly spread disease. The same people take huge dumps and then don't wash their hands.
  And now, some Shakespeare:
  "All the contagion of the south light on you, You shames of Rome! you herd of--boils and plagues. Plaster you o'er, that you may be abhorr'd. [Now go], further than [can be] seen, and one infect another, [and then go] against the wind [another] mile!"
  
  It’s used by vets more than doctors.
  It is only in the sense that third-world countries that rely on it just freely give it out rather than making it prescribed. Case and point being that it's freely available in Mexico, as linked above.
  Humans require a prescription, in the US, anyway.
  US only accounts for ~350 million of the many BILLIONS of people on the planet. We're talking about a drug that has been taken by BILLIONS and you can't shut the fuck up about the 350 million Americans?
  It is labeled for horses primarily. Approved for and customarily used on animals first.
  Initial research RELEASED the drugs for animals first... Mostly because it's easier to get approval for animal drugs than human drugs.
  However, this drug has been trialed to humans since ~1980 (Animals is credited as "late 70's", but "was initially introduced as a commercial product for Animal Health in 1981"). So really no difference in timelines here comparatively... But you go ahead and keep lying about shit. If your qualifier that it's "animal first" is that it was trialed in animals mere months before it was trialed in humans, then sure, you're right. But I'm taking issue with that. That's bullshit and you should know it. And yes, it's also normal for human trials to last much longer than animal ones. Thus why it was on trials for years.
  https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3043740/
  So once again... kindly fuck off with the lying about the medicine. You're better than that.
  Berate the moron, not the functional medicine.
  
  Where's all these people when Ketamine is mentioned saying "no you can't use it in hospitals on people because Vetaket exists" huh? It's wild watching the world completely accept that Ketamine or Amoxicilin etc can be used on animals and humans, but then be completely propagandized that this one particular dewormer only works on equidae even though it's been used as a human dewormer since its existence. Sure it does fuck all against covid and claims to the contrary should be shot down but "HoRsE" isn't it, "viruses aren't worms" is better.
  
  When we are talking about its efficacy against covid, it is utterly irrelevant whether Ivermectin has some other use. For covid, it is a quack remedy.
  Now, just to spell it out even more for you and some others who keep sidestepping the point:
  Use of any treatment that is not efficacious for a given condition risks diverting people from the use of treatments that are efficacious. That means those people will be at higher risk of sickness and death, since the treatment they are taking doesn't work.
  A treatment that is efficacious for some entirely different purpose is still not efficacious for some other condition, unless and until it is proven so by research.
  Whether that different purpose involves horses, people or fucking marmosets is irrelevant. We're not talking about that. We're talking about a particular condition that has nothing to do with the on-label use.
  So it's not clear to me what you are struggling with here. OTHER USES ARE IRRELEVANT TO THE QUESTION OF WHETHER IT WORKS FOR THE PURPOSE ACTUALLY BEING DISCUSSED. End of.
  
  And none of that negates that the "it's only for horses" people are wrong. This seems to be the main disconnect, you hear "actually, it's good for parasites in humans as well" as "burn vaccines take horse pills."
  
  so you think Mel Gibson‘s friends got their ivermectin from a farm supply store?
  
  I don't think Mel Gibson has any friends.
  
  It's very likely off-label use, so maybe.

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