Joe Rogan Nods Along As Mel Gibson Claims His Friends Were Cured of Stage 4 Cancer By by ivermectin, fenbendazole (another animal dewormer), and methylene blue (a fabric dye)

What is this obsession some people have with ivermectin? They don't believe in the moon landings but they think ivermectin has magic powers.
- Its an ad campaign to hike up the price and demand for Ivermectin by people invested in its production.

That sounds like natural selection is taking care of business.
- We need more natural selection accelerants.

obligatory fuck daily mail but this screen was posted to a discord I'm in and I laughed then, I'll laugh again now
- I guess he'll get to blame the Jews for that one again.
  
  Gibson hating Jew checking in for duty. You made my day.
- 🎵Help the people the thing that happened happened toooooo 🎤

Vaccines turned me into a newt!

There were so many calls to "Let Mel come back," promising that his outbursts weren't a real problem anymore and he was on the way to recovery. Nope. Don't believe that shit. Second chances are dead now, thanks to cunts like him and these other fucks that have squandered the goodwill of the people. Gibson isn't done doing harm. He will be a piece of shit until he dies, which can't come soon enough. Fuck him and the entire tribe of fuckwads that spout the same and similar nonsense. They are a blight on humanity.
- tribe of fuck wads
  You realize you’re talking about 80 million people?
  
  What's your point? Antivaxxers are fuckwits who are trying to kill the innocent. They'd dispute that, but they don't even understand how vaccines work, so what chance could they have of understanding cause and effect generally? And therefore, why should anyone give a shit what they have to say or what they think?
  
  80million gullible dipshits can still qualify as a 'tribe'.
  
  80 million people are Mel Gibson fans? How would anyone quantify that. I'm confused what this number refers to.
  
  Wait is your issue with the word fuck wads or that amount of people being described as a tribe?

Steve Jobs, an otherwise very intelligent and successful guy, got diagnosed with pancreatic cancer and instead of jumping right on treating it instead let it go and sought out all sorts of "natural" cures. Well it became terminal and he admitted that if he had treated it at the start it was in an early enough stage where he likely would've survived. There is a trait in some smart people to think they are experts on everything.
- Tfw you distrust the scientific establishment and take health into your own hands to stick it to the man. But then you realize you're the man.
- For a soul-crushing perfectionist slave-driver asshole, Jobs had quite a few fluffy New Age beliefs. It always seemed a bit incongruous.

I'm not defending idiots saying it cures cancer, but people dismissively calling ivermectin a "horse dewormer" when it's approved for human use for all sorts of parasitic diseases is something that grinds my gears. It actually is something of a wonder drug, just not for what these idiots keep claiming.
Methylene blue is an approved drug too, (the first synthetic drug, coincidentally) it's used for cyanide poisoning amongst other things. It's also a MAOI, which makes it dangerous to take with a bunch of common medicines.
- The horse dewormer thing iirc comes from the fact that ivermectin is a prescription drug, and doctors obviously wouldn't prescribe it for covid. So people resorted to one of the very few ways you could still purchase it: as the horse dewormer variant.
  Of course this version is much stronger and intended for horses, not humans. IIRC this led to a few hospitalisations and even deaths.
  That's why when people advocate you should take ivermectin, the counter claim is that they're telling you to take horse dewormer, since that's the only way to get it. It's not out of a general 'disrespect' for ivermectin.
- Yes, but invermectin is also a very strong drug and even for its intended uses, it's rarely recommended to take it more than twice in a year. During covid days, people were taking it weekly.
  
  Weekly? I feel like people were taking it far more often than that. And massive doses.

let's hope everyone who still listens to Joe Bogan follows Mel G's advice when they get cancer.

When did ivermectin become the cure all? COVID? Because this is beyond stupid.
I know it started with COVID, but to become a wonder drug...
- I swear, if somehow dog turds got a "fight the man" aura about them there'd be people claiming dog turds cure everything.
- But they'll kick and scream and run away from the actual medical miracle with a medically tested and proven vaccine.
  
  I think they're just nostalgic for polio and widespread TB. Maybe cholera too.
- I know it started with COVID, but to become a wonder drug…
  https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3043740/
  It garners it's "wonder drug" status long before COVID. Just not for any reason related to COVID. Nor Cancer...
  
  The same people who think they are smarter than any doctor and play doctor probably like to be their own lawyer too.

I wish I knew how to get these motherfuckers to care about anything as much as they care about ivermectin.

Just FYI, ivermectin is also a human dewormer, ir is very used in poor countries like here, Brazil
- Everytime I hear it introduced as "horse dewormer". The bias is already made clear.
  While Mel Gibson is clearly off his rocker in that Ivermectin can't do jack shit against cancer... So is OP for acting like it's not safe for human consumption. It's safe for consumption even at 10x a "normal" dosage (with all the Covid-19 studies showing that while more or less ineffective for COVID, not at all harmful otherwise at up to 3000μg/kg.... or 15x a typical dosage http://ssrn.com/abstract=3714649).
  IVM has been used safely in 3.7 billion doses worldwide since 1987
  It's 100% safe... and boatloads of it have been given to humans for longer than most people arguing about this shit have been alive.
  Source: https://www.eurekaselect.com/article/41838
  TL;DR... While probably useless for anything that people recently attribute to it... It's safe for consumption as a general rule.
  
  Bud they're tricking idiots who need actual medicine into taking something that won't help, and that gets people killed.

This should not be legal.
- I am always disheartened when I see his podcast is always at the top of the charts, even left leaning reasonable friends i know listen to it
  
  Some episodes are good. Dave from megadeth for example.
  The problem with the podcast is Joe agrees with everyone.

We need to get Joe Rogan to think the key to eternal youth is uranium glass butt plugs

Joe Rogan is very much part of the misinformation media, he continuously gets guests talking crazy shit and he always nods along, yeah yeah, and people form some stupid reason just lap it up
Can we, for the love of fuck, put laws in placenthst require that as soon as a group of a certain size (say 50+) listens to you, that you are responsible for what you're saying and that you're required to ensure that your information is scientifically correct?
I'm sorry, but fuck free speech as so many people are raving about. Its the worst thing that has happened to the world since the Internet came on. All idiots now have a loud voice and the vast majority of humans apparently are very poorly equipped to weed out this bullshit.
No, your "pyramid curing cancer theory being blocked by big pharma" is NOT real, does NOT have a right to be heard, and is NOT a positive for humanity.
Yes, yes, we should be able to say what we want (within reason) but once you'd tart getting a following, that's it. No more, PLEASE. YOU HAVE YO START BEING TRUTHFUL AND FACTUAL. Why do we continue to allow people to lie their asses off to groups to manipulate others? Hell, even US presidents do this in insane amounts. Even Obama lied at least a little in like 25% of is statements? And he was a low outlier. Trump lies about 90% of the time at pants on fire levels and we're all fine with it. First amendment rules ftw!
Trump would never have been in power if we had something like this. Medical quackery would be gone as Dr Oz can no longer sell his snake oil bullshit. Churches would be gone, yikes... Imagine marketing if companies were required to be actually truthful about their products?
News organizations!
OMFG. So Fox news sues the US government to not be held to standards requiring them to be factual because first amendment.... So quite literally everything coming from them today is a lie. Its all bullshit. Why do we allow this and just laught at them? Why does nobody see the danger of just allowing news organizations to lie to the populace to divide the people, to get false ideas in their heads, to fill them with false hatred...
If Fox news and the likes would have been required to be truthful there would be no trump, the racial divide in the US would have been a whole lot less than it is today. And when I mean truthful I also mean the things they focus on, the insinuations, the pundits with their opinions.
Why why why, why do we allow any of this? What the fuck, world? The first amendment is not worth ending up in world was three because we MUST allow special interests to lie yo everyone, first amendment!
Start requiring that companies MUST be truthful. Presidents and governments MUST be truthful in claims to their citizens. Celebrity or someone with a following? You must be truthful in your claims.
We either start growing up as humanity or this will be our downfall. We are at the edge of the end of humanity as we have known it for centuries due to climate change (and have no doubt, it fucking will end everything we know today) but can't even have a basic discussion about how to stop or reverse this because special interests are allowed to use their news outlets to just scream that climate change is a hoax.
We just allow that. The theater is on fire and we can't even have a discussion on how to escape out because even though the flames are right there, the theater owner keeps screaming over everyone that all is okay, there is no fire, we don't have to escape.
Its gotten to the point where no meaningful discussion is possible anymore because we vant even agree about the basic facts in front of us anymore.
This has got to stop. The lies have to stop, we need basic facts.
- I think you listed several good points. I believe a government that actually cared about its populace would help to protect people from propaganda. The problem is that this would require a government that was actually just. That is not what we have in the US at least.
  I always think about it simply because it helps weed out what is really going on. Listen, if go to your doctor and they purposely give you bad advice they could be on the hook for it. They have licensing boards, oaths, insurance, and legal regulation to prevent them from saying things like horse dewormer good.
  Why is it when we have influencers, talking heads, and politicians who can do much much more harm than one doctor giving bad advice allowed to operate without oversight, licenses, regulations, and ignore their obligation to society?
  Let's go back to simplifying this again. You would not tolerate someone in your personal life that lies and decieves you. Now think about people in authority. Would it be okay for your teacher, your coach, or your boss if they lied to you and manipulated you. They would lose their jobs if they did this and others find out.
  We understand because of psychology and human nature that it is very easy to manipulate people and abuse them. That is why we hold the leaders close to us to high standards. Strangely though the more power people accumulate the less we seem to hold them to these standards when in fact we should even be stricter.
  To be frank the reason we are not holding our most powerful people responsible is because they have been allowed to set the narrative. There is very little influence independent media has compared to mainstream media. If mainstream media creates an environment where it is just expected that politicians lie and are corrupt then everyone accepts it.
  This is most definitely a conspiracy. Ever since propaganda became public relations we have seen those in power increasingly abuse their privileges. They have fine tuned the narrative to prevent themselves from being called out for the lies and damage they cause
  They are using the best of psychology and other sciences to manipulate people. Drive their fear and hatred playing them like a marionette doll. We would never allow a partner to abuse us in this way but we allow someone who is way more powerful than a partner do this.
  And make no mistakes these politicians are just like a partner because they are making intimate decisions about your personal life. They are invading our homes telling us what can and can't do reproductively. They are threatening people's livelihood. They are pitting Americans against each other for their own ends.
  We need a new constitution that spells out that we will no longer be allowed to use the best of technology and science to manipulate people for selfish ends. We need rights to privacy, safety, and accountability. Until we grow up and stop allowing ourselves to be abused things will not improve.
  The government must be designed to resist corruption not embrace it. Our current system is beyond broken with its winner take all two party nonsense. This binary choice is not a choice at all. You could never account for the diversity of thought and opinion with a choice between only two entities.
  All of this is by design of course as the US was founded by the rich for the rich. I don't know about you, but this is unacceptable. We have a cancer destroying our society and mainstream media pretends it does not exist because they part of that cancer.
  We have lost the proverbial battle so far in the 21st century, but that does not mean we can't demand change. The war for our future is not over yet. Don't let people fool you either. Change can and does happen and until we demand it we will continue down this path of lies and deception.
  
  That seems like a boiling-the-ocean solution, comprehensively replacing the government with a new, better (and unproven) one.
  What can be done that's actionable incrementally, starting right now?
- Well, unfortunately, this is only going to get much worse when Trump takes over..
- I’m sorry, but fuck free speech as so many people are raving about. Its the worst thing that has happened to the world since the Internet came on.
  I think the mistake isn't free speech but not having enough exceptions for fraudulent statements. For example, if you say anything false and damaging about a specific person, everyone agrees that's libel and not "free speech". But if you say something false and damaging about a group of people, like trans people or immigrants, that's "free speech" and perfectly legal. Or if you say something false and damaging about fake cures, etc.
  It's actually a tough problem because we can't expect everyone to just be perfectly right all the time. But I think that for people like Rogan who have a wide platform, there should be some liability for lying about things that actually harm others. The fact that this is effectively legal is why psychopaths are dominating media narratives right now.
  
  I don't care about individual expressing their opinions.
  Once you have a following, you have a responsibility to speak the truth. We currently live in a world where fox news can spew incendiary lies 24/7 and noone bats an eye and if ever anyone says anything in court they simply claim to be entertaiment and that no reasonable person would take them seriously.
  What. The. Fuck.
  How is any of that possible, at all?
- and people form some stupid reason just lap it up
  Stupid people love being stupid. Ignorance is bliss, after all.
  
  The ignoramuses I encounter seem more angry or depressed than they are blissful.
  
  Is it? The bullshit people usually are just pissed; all news they hear is horrible
- Bruh... That's some high hopes and a fuck load of effort for something that will never happen. Your suggestions are very much unrealistic.
  
  Are they?
  Are you okay with the current state of affairs where every idiot gets given a bullhorn to spew their nonsense, where lying is not an exception, it's not a sometimes, but it's actually the norm?
  Go to a random website and chances are that it's full of clickbait bullshit lies. Get some product from any company, check information about it and it's almost guaranteed overstated and lies.
  Where does it end?
- Please let's do that. Half of Lemmy would go to jail and the other half straight to the death row
  
  What I proposed is more for people with a following. I doubt there are huge followings on Lemmy, of all places
- how can anyone agree with free speech being the worst thing to happen in the world since the internet. seriously, how can anyone read that and agree?
  the worst thing to happen in the world since the internet.....is free speech...... please read what you are saying BEFORE submitting a comment. good lord. if there was a lemmy worst of that single line should be pinned to the top
  
  I'm assuming you didn't read or just pretend, but I'll assume you very much know what I mean.
  Free speech and the Internet is a horrible combination as the Internet gives a bullhorn to extremists, liars, conspiracy theorists and cheaters. Basically a large group of sociopaths who are willing to do the work to manipulate people for their own benefit and theirs alone.
  Add AI to the mix and it becomes an absolute nightmare.
  I'm not talking about you disagreeing with the government, let that be protected. I'm talking about the need for at least a basis of facts from which we can have a reasoned argument.
  How am I to have a discussion with you about how to solve climate change if you heard from Alex Jones, oan, Fox news, and a bunch of conspiracy theorists that climate change is a hoax and a plot to rape your children, and you actually believe this nonsense?
  That is where we are at RIGHT NOW.
  Misinformation should simply not be protected anymore, Bo matter who it's coming from. If you're a politician and you spew unscientific bullshit you should be warned, second time fired. If a company publishes a fake scientific research paper to discredit climate change and it turns out it's funded by oil companies? Throw all their CEO's in jail for a year.
  You'd be surprised how fast truth becomes a thing
  Tell me: right now, what source of information can I still trust at all? A president? HAH! Those are the worst. Obama lied like 25% of the time, was it? Trump must be in the 80-90% somewhere. Same goes for news organizations, same goes for political organizations, same goes for the vast majority of websites that kust publish clickbait bullshit to get you to click, same goes for...
  It has to stop
  
  Disinformation should not be regarded as protected speech, any more than a fraudulent product claim or a defamatory comment is. Same goes for statements intended to incite stochastic terrorism, or specific and actionable death threats, or foreign propaganda emanating from troll farms.
  Unless you are so stupid as to do nothing but repeat such malicious content, you free speech rights are not infringed by controlling malicious, false, toxic targeted claims such as those. And you are free to moan about it all you like, but it is becoming an existential matter for the preservation of democracy that such content is dealt with decisively. We're in an information war, and the people originating that bullshit are this generation's Lord Haw Haw and Tokyo Rose.

We are all going to die
- Yes but californians first
  
  I thought the San Andreas fault would get em, but I was wrong.

Sorry to the people dealing with the fires in LA area but I have to admit that I laughed hard when I heard Mel Gibson's house burnt down during this interview. Absolutely hilarious to me.
- I dunno how the hell I could tell from back in the day, watching movies he was in, that I couldn't trust him. Just something about the way he acts. I can't put my finger on it.
  
  If you watch the Lethal Weapon movies, it’s not hard to spot.
  
  There were hints. Dude played Mad Max and the loose-cannon crazy cop in Lethal Weapon. Is it acting or maybe he was born with it?
- Did he ever win an Oscar? Did he leave it in his house? I bet he didn't see that one coming.
  
  He definitely did nazi that coming

Well at least methylene blue is harmless. I used to put it in my coworker's coffee to turn their piss blue.
- Its interactions can be very far from harmless.
- Harmless or not, making other people unknowingly ingest substances is NOT OKAY
  
  You don't know anything about the relationship. If my best friend had done that at work back in the day, I'd laugh. "Mother fucker gonna pay on this."

Well the blue color actually proved valuable in spinal reconstruction. (AFAIK)
- Huh. Apparently it's been found seemingly helpful with pain management, trauma reduction, disinfection, cleaning, and tumor detection when used as a dye. I wasn't thorough so I didn't find anything about spinal reconstruction specifically but its use is probably related in one of these ways in some procedures. So TIL.
  Still not a cancer-killer. Sorry, Mel!
  
  It's also used as a topical antibacterial agent in wound care (source: am wound care nurse), but ya, not cancer.

It doesn't do people's argument credit when they call ivermectin a horse dewormer. Yes, it can be used for that but it's a broad spectrum drug used for lots of things in humans and animals. Does it do what the alt right says? Probably not. But you look almost as dumb as they do when you call a WHO essential medicine horse dewormer.
- Calling it a horse dewormer came about because folks were buying the ones labeled as deworming agents at tractor supplies and similar locations. Sure it has other uses but its an easy jab at the folks drinking it like water for covid.
- Nobody is claiming that it isn’t great for deworming horses and other related anti-parasitic applications. But it is provably not effective at combating COVID or cancer, and mocking people who conflate the legitimate uses for the imaginary uses under the guise of “its a WHO essential medicine” is morally correct.
  
  Medical professionals who promote quack uses should not only be mocked, they should have their license to practice terminated.

It is wild how they just jump from one thing to other mentioning things at random. "I know this guy who can point his finger at you and you will feel it, because you know... how did they build the pyramids?? This thing is like quantum physics".
Is this the effects of too much ivermectin?
- My money's on indiscriminate use of psychoative drugs, and general lack of mental discipline.