why do they deny genocide when done by china and russia?
why do they deny genocide when done by china and russia?
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why do they deny genocide when done by china and russia?
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US sponsored hate is behind those genocide accusations.
The US has political corruption power in imposing determinations of genocide. Reality has no relevance to US Empire's political will.
CIA was formed in 1947, Holodomor genocide was 1932-33🤔
The genocide revisionist propaganda was started in 1990s by CIA supported Ukrainian activists. For sure, at the time, the Ukrainian Church were loud complainers to distance/divide themselves from Russian Church, but there is no empirical evidence of Ukrainians being targeted in a difficult situation.
The genocide revisionist propaganda was started in 1990s by CIA supported Ukrainian activists.
Then some of them went back in time to the mid-1970s, when they told me of having to leave Ukraine and go to Canada because of the famines and massacres.
they told me of having to leave Ukraine and go to Canada because of the famines and massacres
this is not contradicting what humanspiral said
mid-1970's
That's because you trimmed the part that does, weird that you did that
Sorry, that's my bad.
Marked Tankie please ignore, block and move on mate.
(Yes I will keep calling them out for their bullshit views and not let them spread their dumb propaganda)
Side note:
Thank you for uploading these pics to prove user notes in Voyager were a thing, I couldn't figure out how to google for them and somehow missed the obvious tab in settings repeatedly
Seeing your pictures made me go through again as it's obviously possible, and I've been restoring my tags from connect. Makes remembering people much easier
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As Marco Rubio, or US state department, might say after a video documented destruction of a Palestinian hospital, I do not comment on individual cases, we will "very seriously" look into it. Hamas must stop building their military bases under hospitals, and when we kill and rape them all, it will be 100% Hamas's fault.
There are stories. Judging by another comment that if Xi doesn't like Winnie the Poo references, you should not only believe them, as your partriotic duty, but at the heart of every unverifiable story, you should also place direct blame at top of Chinese government.
That the region is peaceful and free today should score some points relative to such stories.
I suppose that BBC report could be wrong, but I think the BBC are usually pretty accurate, so it could well be an accurate report. It looks like the US, UK, and Australian governments believed that the report was accurate.
what an odd place to be reminded about the sleaford mods, granted i know them from prodigy lol.
Repeat after me: The Chinese military massacred students on Tiananmen square in 1989, and Xi Jinping resembles Winnie the Pooh.
The Chinese military massacred students on Tiananmen square in 1989.
That is not what happened. In fact, in the square itself, literally no one died.
Afterward, in Operation Yellowbird, “brave dissident leaders” were evacuated by western intelligence agencies. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to question whether they may already have had close ties to these agencies before the protests began.
Rrrright... Your narrative is contradicting itself. The military has no business inside a country not at war. That's what police is for. If you are linking to pictures of tanks in the streets & violent clashes and somehow think about how "it's the fault of the civlians", you need to seek mental help. That cognitive dissonance is indicative of a psychological problem.
US sponsored hate is behind those genocide accusations.
ok, source?
- China faced terrorism in Xinjiang. Fine, some people got arrested. It's main response was education and job creation programs. Xinjiang prosperity has grown higher than average of Chinese provinces, with high investment levels. The genocide declaration is political persecution meant to impoverish the region to destabilize it rather than a principled view where "every more heavy handed act with actual documentation of intentional extermination" (Palestine) would be genocide.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-22278037
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/08/31/china-unrelenting-crimes-against-humanity-targeting-uyghurs
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/china-xinjiang-uyghurs-muslims-repression-genocide-human-rights
so all my listes sources are us propaganda?
also please give me some independent stuff about that terrorism problem, with independent I mean something, that didn't run through chinese censorship (which I belive you can't deny exists)
also reeducation is inherently wrong tbh, you just force your values on others by the state
also those "jobs" that are created are slave jobs from what I've read
only because some province prospers, does not mean it doesn't repress a group of people, when slavery was still a thing in the us the slaver states actually prospered the most
now, I think the uighur situation is pretty well documented for the fact, that there are no legal independent chinese media outlets
The US has political corruption power in imposing determinations of genocide. Reality has no relevance to US Empire's political will.
ok, but from what I've read they're sterilizing uighur women, kill them enslave them and "reeducate" them (reeducation is a nice term for destroying a culture)
also please give me some independent stuff about that terrorism problem, with independent I mean something, that didn’t run through chinese censorship (which I belive you can’t deny exists)
Ask and ye shall receive. The series of terrorist attacks are undisputed by basically anyone with any knowledge of the region's history
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_China
Libs be like:
Al Qaida 😡
Al Qaida, China 😍
so we agree, that wikipedia is an independent source? ok
I'm not sure what your intention is there. You asked for information about something and I provided it.
I cited Wikipedia as a quick reference for something uncontroversial, which, as per your request, is independent of Chinese censorship. That doesn't mean I treat it like the Word of God. That's not really how sources work. For instance, a lot of the information in the article you linked traces back to Adrian Zenz. Adrian Zenz was also the primary source cited in two of your three previous links - the other of which made no mention of genocide.
Lots of countries have internment camps. Would you find it objectionable if I said that Biden was directly committing genocide by detaining undocumented migrants in interment camps?
so all my listes sources are us propaganda?
Absolutely. Including the US led corruption of UN. You can tell by the lack of documented examples. The undercover propaganda documentaries are jokes that don't prove anything other than "Education involves similar to US pledge of allegiance "right answers" to CCP is good".
People getting arrested for terrorist incitement/acts is not genocide. Education and job creation prosperity is not genocide. Xinjiang is also exempt from 1 child policy. The prosperity includes poverty alleviation, restaurant and cultural funding booms. It is a nice welcoming place to visit. You can see tourism videos on Youtube.
but from what I’ve read they’re sterilizing uighur women,
There are reports of this. (not your slavery claim). Such reports can be coached for political diminishment purposes. The more that you want BS to be true, the friendlier you are to volunteering liars. Uyghur used to be allowed to have more children than Han. New policy is that all are equal.
https://www.ceicdata.com/en/china/population-birth-rate-by-region/cn-population-birth-rate-xinjiang
This happens to be higher than Chinese average, and triple the birth rate of US, with the 2023 bounceback, but even at 2021 (covid) low, over double the US. So why is US genociding itself according to this politicization? There is US politicization that "transgender immigrant cat eating rapists are invading the country" too. Just because the next congress might successfully impeach Biden for such treason, won't make it true instead of political BS. The US, like Israel, is capable of lying, and willing to, and now in fact desperate to make any and every, lie to advance its empire.
ok, you're baslly saying china is a perfect utopia and everything bad about them is made up by the us, got it
you see, the world becomes very simple when you think like that
but there must surely be some sources that help your claim that everything of that is just propaganda
ok, you’re baslly saying china is a perfect utopia and everything bad about them is made up by the us, got it
Why do libs think that pushing back on the most egregious claims about a country means that a person considers it, "A perfect utopia?" There are plenty of bad things about China that aren't made up, just as there are for any country. The world is in fact, quite complex when you practice basic critical thinking and treat claims with skepticism and take the good with the bad. It's much simpler when you just accept any negative claim anybody says about whichever country the news tells you to hate.
The sources you cite rely on Adrian Zenz, an evangelical Christian fundamentalist who works for an organization called, "The Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation," an organization with ties to the Heritage Foundation and which counted everyone who died of COVID as a, "Victim of Communism." Somehow. That's not a reliable source.
Ukraine did better than most USSR members.
"Better" only in the sense of having a higher death toll: 7 to 10 million out of a total population of about 30 million.
Xinjiang prosperity has grown higher than average of Chinese provinces, with high investment levels.
Those high investment levels being funneled exclusively to Han Chinese who have been brought in to displace the Uighurs who have been put into camps.
The genocide declaration is political persecution
Right, and putting people into camps in order to exterminate their ethnic identity isn't.
“Better” only in the sense of having a higher death toll: 7 to 10 million out of a total population of about 30 million.
More credible number is: 3.9 million in Ukraine, 3.3 million in Russia, and 1.3 million in Kazakhstan.
Kazakhstan being the highest per capita. Holomodor is a Ukrainian word used specifically to politically get US and its colonies to validate Ukrainian nationalist hatred. The only places that recognized the political "lets demonize Stalin" and make up your numbers to do so.
He's tagged mate please block, ignore and move on.
username is uh, weirdly fitting.