Bernie Sanders: Vote Harris because Gaza is ‘not the only issue’
Bernie Sanders: Vote Harris because Gaza is ‘not the only issue’
Bernie Sanders said voters concerned with Kamala Harris' stance on Israel should vote for her anyway because Trump would be worse.
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If you want to engage those bad faith accounts, don't respond to the Gaza thing; that's a trap. Instead, ask about other issues like climate issues, housing issues, food insecurity problems, etc. ask them what their third party candidate has planned for that and ask for evidence of these plans. They'll move goalposts and attempt to get back on Gaza. Keep them coming back to those other issues that affect Americans daily. Many of those accounts are here to derail conversation. Derail them in turn and force the conversation back on track.
Or do what I do and downvote then block, then post the occasional reminder that most of those accounts are bad faith at best.
I know. I mean I’m not a huge fan of Harris’ Gaza stance. Honestly I’m not sure why it’s political at all to call what Israel is doing wrong. But come on, Trump will be 100 times worse. And that’s just on the Israel/Gaza thing. I’m not sure how you can look at these two and decide that Harris is wrong enough about the Gaza thing that you come to the conclusion that either a third party or Trump vote is warranted. Which makes me believe is not genuine and likely foreign agent spreading chaos and misinformation.
It's because there is a large, internally-polled segment of the Pennsylvania electorate who are Jewish and sympathetic to Israel.
Harris can't afford to not court them.
I have no doubt she vehemently dislikes Bibi and would wish to cut aid.
Not only that, but AIPAC is a serious force that has demonstrated their willingness to aggressively smear every candidate who speaks out against Israel; they've already done this for a number of races.
Harris is basically trapped here. The best thing she can do is stay vague until after the election, when she might actually have the power to do something about it. No one on Palestine's side has anything to gain from her losing votes over it.
Yeah this is basically my thoughts as well. Stuck between Iraq and a hard place (I had to do the Hot Shots joke here... too fitting).
But seriously, AIPAC has way too much power in American politics. And your comment about Palestine is spot on. She is walking a very thin line, but this is the nature of politics and nuance. That orange fucker has no clue about any of this.
This is the correct reason and the reason why the genocide will continue no matter who is elected.
Aipac has bought enough of american politicians that it has rendered votes worthless.
People should vote on matters other than this for with any outcome US sponsored genocide is inevitable.
It’s because there is a large, internally-polled segment of the Pennsylvania electorate who are Jewish and sympathetic to Israel.
Harris can’t afford to not court them.
I have no doubt she vehemently dislikes Bibi and would wish to cut aid.
I hope you are right. But, without evidence (if there is any, please share it), this might be wishful thinking. You might just be a more moral person than Harris. I might be being extremely unfair, but it doesn't seem impossible for an elected official to be willing to sacrifice the lives of innocent people in a country without American voters to gain power.
I think there have been some "leaked" info to reputable journalists how both Biden and Harris pretty much despise Bibi at this point. I think if you look at it in the aggregate in how they pushed for the ceasefire (as opposed to Trump speaking with Bibi to actively undermine it), in her comments after meeting with Bibi shortly after becoming the presumed nominee following Biden stepping down — there is a clear tonal change from, say, 6-months-ago even. So yeah, I think her hands are pretty well tied.
Either way, the reality any sane person can understand is that there are much better odds we see movement from Harris than we do from Trump.
Either way, the reality any sane person can understand is that there are much better odds we see movement from Harris than we do from Trump.
I completely agree with that. I admit to being impatient for change now, because innocent people are dying now. It is sad that elections (and electorates) get in the way of such important moral principles.
And everyone conveniently forgets that Biden did try to stop aid to Israel earlier this year. Congress blocked it. Is he trying hard enough? No probably not (I don't claim to be an expert in middle east geopolitics, it is possible that the situation is an even more thoroughly fucked Gordian knot than it appears), but he did try. And the alternative this November thinks what he is trying is "too tough" on Bibi.
Did he try? Biden could have cited the Leahy laws any time he wanted, and proclaimed that he beleived genocide was occurring. He did not do that. So I dont beleive he was trying. I think he was pretending.
Do you understand how that works? There are exceptions specifically carved out for Israel, which require Blinken to initiate that process.
Do you understand that Blinken is a member of the presidents cabinet and the president can fire anyone in his cabinet if they go rogue from his wishes?
Okay, then what? Israel gets weapons from their other allies and we lose any leverage we do have. It's almost as if this is a complex geopolitical issue, in fact so complex that "bringing peace to the West Bank" is a well established meme for an impossibly difficult task, and simple solutions have consequences not obvious to the layperson.
Genocide is against the law and punished by death sentence.
There is no foreign agent, idiot. You are spamming the whole internet with your election bullcrap, dont be surprise if people give their opinion.
My opinion? If there was any justice, harris/bidden would be executed. Trump too. Your country is inherently evil and should be disolved.
Fuck you, Russian piece of shit troll.
I'm not russian, idiot. Accusing peace activits of being a foreign agent always have been part of jingoist propaganda. Remember when everybody being against vietnam war was a moscow spy?
I'm just a regular dude who, like the rest of the world, is looking at america with contempt. At you too
"Peace activist..?"
Weren't you wishing death on others, like, two posts ago? And you're laughing at others for inverted values.
Banned account said what?
Average bad-faithed idiot. When I talk about bombing new-york, it's obviously provocation, since, you know, nobody is bombing new york. When you talk about lebannon, well, it's US-lead crime against humanity that's happening right now.
Lmao typical fragile yank. Nobody's bombing new york, idiot. You guys are bombing lebannon. Fuck you
So you want to argue in bad faith.
It’s fine to debate the idea that Gaza should not be the most important issue this election, but if your plan is to troll people and do fallacious debate then you’re not helping anyone. If you want to sell out Palestinians for personal gain, just be honest about it.
If there’s anybody this election cycle shows us, it’s that americans do not care about foreigners life at all. They would gladly throw entire countries under the bus if it means that they get to keep living their comfortable, violence-free lifestyle, putting their little ballot like cowards instead of actually fighting fascism.
Nobody cares about americans. They are overtly genocide-supporter.
If I am ever in a position where I can pick between a genocide in america and a worst genocide in america, well, let's say I will care about our housing issues ahah.
Your pro genocide stance has been noted.
Your pro genocide stance has been noted.
And they've been banned because they keep saying the same stuff, being banned everywhere, then making new accounts
That's because mods keeps censoring me. In times of war jingoists are very heavily biased in their assessments of things so we need to find workaround to let our voices out. Everybody who's against american murdering people must be a moscow spy. These idiots are stuck in the cold war mindset.
You said you support the slaughter of innocent people. I'm not worried about spies, this is a public forum.
One have to admire the delicate propaganda that makes people believe in a total inversion of value lmao
Americans dems are doing the genocide, scum. You vote for them, you fucking yank. Your country is doing the genocide. Fuck you.