Wait a minute, we've been going about this all the wrong way!
Wait a minute, we've been going about this all the wrong way!
IDF: Whoops, tee hee.
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Well they're still blowing up kids with these things so idk if it's the most brilliant targeting technique
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Compared to dumping white phosphorus over hospitals and refugee camps, killing 2 (?) children during an attack that targeted hundreds/thousands is many orders of magnitude more precise. I hate dead innocents as much as anyone, but you gotta admit the pagers were effective and included way less collateral damage than the methods Isreal has employed in recent history.
The point of the post isn't to praise the pagers attack. It's to point out that Isreal is capable of causing less collateral damage in Gaza but chooses not to.
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Fucking weird comment.
but you gotta admit the pagers were effective and included way less collateral damage than the methods Isreal has employed in recent history.
Yeah. No I don't.
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It's to point out that Isreal is capable of causing less collateral damage in Gaza but chooses not to.
That comes down to how often Hamas orders things that can reasonably have small bombs put inside them on a large scale and that Hamas are expected to have on their person's most of the time, how secure their supply lines are, how paranoid they are about looking for that kind of thing, that sort of thing. It involves a lot more moving parts and rare opportunities than just dropping some bombs.
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you do not, under any circumstances, "gotta hand it to them"
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but you gotta admit the pagers were effective and included way less collateral damage than the methods Isreal has employed in recent history.
Do you admit that mass gas chambers are an effective way to kill people ?
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So much nuance, wow
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Yes. A very large part of what made the holocaust so terrible was that it was very effective at killing people.
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If my goal was to kill exclusively enemy combatants and leave all civilians alone, it would be pretty effective to round them up and gas them, yes. I'd rather do that than indiscriminate fire.
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Combatants tend to violently fight back, when you try to round them up. They also tend to hide among civilians in case of terrorist militia like Hezbollah.
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...are you implying that mass gas chambers aren't an effective way to kill people?
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Do you admit that mass gas chambers are an effective way to kill people ?
so is climate change????
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You do realise targets in Gaza and targets in Lebanon are not the same? On one hand you have fighters shielding themselves behind civilians and dont even know what a pager is and why they would use it, on the other hand you have political and operative leaders on these fighters that need these pagers to stay low profile and untaped...
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On one hand you have fighters shielding themselves behind civilians
You're right, this is disgusting...
And this is too. Do these people have no morals? https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/6/23/human-shielding-in-action-israeli-forces-strap-palestinian-man-to-jeep
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The practice is said to be so routine that Israeli soldiers have a name for the human shields, who are referred to as shawish – informal slang for a low-ranking soldier – and the process was described by several witnesses.
Palestinian civilians, mostly young men, are picked up by Israeli soldiers, dressed in Israeli army uniforms, then sent into tunnels and damaged houses ahead of Israeli forces, soldiers told Haaretz and Breaking the Silence.
Their hands are tied together and a camera is attached to their bodies as they go in.
Holy fuck that's disgusting
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And Guess who put these booby traps?
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Please give us a rundown of when human shields are okay and not okay. Let me guess, it depends who is using them, but in a roundabout way?
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It's pretty effective when your attacker doesn't want to harm innocents at any cost, at least. But most organizations going to war don't care enough.
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Bruh... Hamas put these traps in the middle of their "citizens", do you think IDF forced them to do this tactic?
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It's amusing/depressing you went for the latter part of my post.
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Ah so using human shields is OK all of a sudden? What about the second example? Don't worry, I can find more if you like
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Bruh... Hamas put these traps in the middle of their "citizens", do you think IDF forced them to do this tactic?
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I'm confused why you were so outraged by the use of human shields at first and now when I send examples you all of a sudden don't seem to care. You didn't even mention the second example yet.
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Not my fault if you are confusing yourself...
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Hamas so any tactic of waffen IDF is valid?
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Bruh... Hamas put these traps in the middle of their "citizens", do you think IDF forced them to do this tactic?
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bruh... that's a limp dick excuse for a genocide lol
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Lol ironic considering you have to be a limp dick to excuse Hamas terrorism on their own "civilians"...
This doesnt surprise me at all, Hamas fanboys are like ISIS zealots, frustrated looser who believe they will get the opportunity to use their limp dick in heaven with virgins once they die as "martyr"... Lol pathetic...
Feels great to know they constantly get sent to oblivion, like knowing how frustrated and huge looser people defending them are... So keep going, this is so enjoyable...
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Yes 🤡
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Spot on, i knew it, no more arguments, trying to avoid further shaming himself with such answer, hmmm the sweet smell of a frustrated loser fuming alone behind his screen x)
Lol, 🤣
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That's not really true unless you believe IDF propaganda
Civilian Deaths and Human Shields:
Israel does deliberately targets civilian areas. From in general with the Dahiya Doctrine to multiple systems deployed in Gaza to do so: ‘A mass assassination factory’: Inside Israel’s calculated bombing of Gaza, Lavender, and Where's Daddy. When it comes to Israeli Soldiers and Civilians, there is also the use of the Hannibal Directive, which was also used on Oct 7th.
Hundreds of Genocide Scholars have described this ethnic cleansing campaign as genocide because of the deliberate targeting of children/civilians and expressed intent by Israeli officials: “A Textbook Case of Genocide”: Israeli Holocaust Scholar Raz Segal Decries Israel’s Assault on Gaza, 800+ Legal Scholars Say Israel May Be Perpetrating 'Crime of Genocide' in Gaza , Law for Palestine Releases Database with 500+ Instances of Israeli Incitement to Genocide – Continuously Updated.
On the subject of Human Shields, there are some independent reports for past conflicts of Hamas jeopardizing the safety of civilians via Rocket fire in dense urban areas, two instances during Oct 7th, but no independent verification since then so far. None of which absolve Israel of the crime of targeting civilians under international law:
- HRW on Laws-of-War Violations 2009
- Agency Demands Full Respect for the Sanctity of Its Premises in Gaza - July 2014
- HRW - Palestinian Armed Groups’ October 7 Assault on Israel
Intentionally utilizing the presence of civilians or other protected persons to render certain areas immune from military attack is prohibited under international law. Amnesty International was not able to establish whether or not the fighters’ presence in the camps was intended to shield themselves from military attacks. However, under international humanitarian law, even if one party uses “human shields”, or is otherwise unlawfully endangering civilians, this does not absolve the opposing party from complying with its obligations to distinguish between military objectives and civilians or civilian objects, to refrain from carrying out indiscriminate or disproportionate attacks, and to take all feasible precautions to spare civilians and civilian objects.
- Israel/OPT: Israeli attacks targeting Hamas and other armed group fighters that killed scores of displaced civilians in Rafah should be investigated as war crimes
- HRW - Gaza: Unlawful Israeli Hospital Strikes Worsen Health Crisis
Additionally, there is extensive independent verification of Israel using Palestinians as Human Shields: IDF uses Human Shields, including Children (2013 Report), and in the latest war Israel “Systematically” Uses Gaza Children as Human Shields, Rights Group Finds
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What does any of this relate to pagers strike?
Also, your sources... Lol...
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Not all of Hezbollah are combatants, things are not that simple. Not all of Hezbollah are militants, there are many social workers and politicians. And even if they were, there are zero guarantees that all the pagers ended up in the hands of Hezbollah members. And even if that was the case, detonating them in public spaces is still a violation of international humanitarian law. By it's nature this was a massive terrorism attack
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Lol its like saying all nazis were not bad guys 🤡
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No, it's not. If you want to make a Nazi comparison, it would be a comparison with Israel. But that doesn't justify the targeting of Israeli civilians anymore than the justification of targeting Nazi Germany civilians like the Dresden bombings, which was a war crime and not justified.
Einstein along with many others compared the fascist actions of Zionism to Nazi Germany back in 1948, in wake of the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.
https://archive.org/details/AlbertEinsteinLetterToTheNewYorkTimes.December41948
In the Shadow of the Holocaust by Masha Gessen, the situation in Gaza is compared to the Warsaw Ghettos. The comparison was also made by a Palestinian poet who was later killed by an Israeli airstrike. Adi Callai, an Israeli, has also written on the parallels in his article The Gaza Ghetto Uprising and expanded upon in his corresponding video
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It's an Obama type technique. Sure, you might blow up a few innocents, but the rate of eliminated enemies vs killed innocents is better than in traditional warfare, so a numbers guy would always go for that one.
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Leaked official documents show that that wasn't really the case as the public was led to believe
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When your goal is genocide, a kill is a kill
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Its accepting Israeli propaganda to say that this was a precision strike. This is like using cluster munitions.
Whenever Israel comes up with an idea for an assassination they do it because they can. Its a force of habit for them.
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