Exactly what happened here
User 1: It’s almost as if Chinese Imperialism, genocide and ethnic cleansing is still bad even if the West built its powerbase on Imperialism.
User 2: How many colonies does China have? How many countries has it invaded? How many wars has waged?
Fascists like you and followers of the capitalist death cult can only say this: Tibet, because they drove the feudal lords and dalai lama paedophiles; Taiwan, because the bourgeois dictatorship claimed that land as theirs, as if it isn’t historically all one China, a similar story with Malvinas, I guess you also think they belong to the British; Hong Kong, which was a British colony but for some twisted reason you think they should be it’s own thing, because again it historically has not belong to China; the Uyghur thing, which even Western sources deny and/or doubt of its veracity and which was propelled by a right-wing organisation pro US imperialism; and delirious ideas about China being “imperialist” in Africa or South America because it trades with them and builds infrastructure, instead of providing bogus “financial aids” which then end up in the hands of US puppets like you did in Argentina with IMF funds. So basically all of the “imperialism” you claim is China trying to recover its historical territories lost in the process of the proletarian revolution.
Meanwhile, I don’t see any of the likes of you denouncing the plethora of colonies Europe and the US has been having and continue having for centuries. Why are you no so openly in favour of a Hawai’ian independence movement but you are so fervently obsessed with China? I know why, because you have fascists freudian slips and you can’t even realise about it yourself, since you live surrounded by people who justify themselves, and you have never interacted with a person from the Global South that’s not a fascist. By the way, the things I’m telling you, this is not “tankie” stuff, I have Peronists friends, Trotskyists friends, and all over the spectrum in Argentina, and they all know what you people say is complete and utter disgusting, the thought that everyone agrees with this kind of thought is something only maintained in first world imperialist countries. Don’t fool yourself.
User 2: I'm not talking with someone who defends genocide
User 3: Yeah, don’t bother. Tankies are red fascists.
User 2: Yup, tankies are fascists under a new name.
Okay found out what Lemmy is and I hate it. Like wtf is this.
Hey, tankies, decent countries don’t have to violently suppress their populations and then lie about it. Oh, and socialism is worker ownership of the means of production, not whatever the fuck they’re doing in China. (inb4 people assuming I must support the US since I hate China)
The socialism understander has logged on. Wouldn't even know what to reply to this since it's literally nothing.
No clue what Lemmy is but I'll try to get what you're asking for.
I made a carrd on the Uyghur genocide available [here]. It has the U.S. Army colonel clip you talked ab.
For Tiananmen Square, [this] is a Hong Kong news report of the evacuation. You have the CIA cable, that's a good source. Here's a general article.
- China in 1989 for one man vs. the U.S. in 2020 for a whole crowd (good propaganda video, this is all that a mention of the 6/4 incident as an indictment against China seriously warrants)
- Thread covering testimony from protest leaders
- Thread covering images of PLA troop immolation
- a NYT questioning of the atrocity account
- There Was No "Tiananmen Square Massacre" - CBS News
*The CBS testimony says that the CPC denies the casualties in outer areas. This is incorrect, the mayor of Beijing had stated in a public report that around 200 people died including PLA soldiers.
“According to the information we have so far gathered, more than 3,000 civilians were wounded and over 200, including 36 college students, died during the riot.” (p. 47).
Xitong, Chen. Report on Checking the Turmoil and Quelling the Counter-Revolutionary Rebellion. New Star Publishers, 1989.
Mentions in State-Owned Media In China [refuting the "censor" narrative; all accessed through Baidu]:
China.org.cn: China Rejects US Statement on 6-4 Incident
China Daily: Tiananmen Massacre a Myth
China Daily: What's Wrong With Our Liberal Studies Courses?
CPC News: Centennial Events of the Communist Party of China
People's Daily: Memorabilia of the Communist Party of China 1989
Publications the year of the event (first is relatively easy to find, second isn't):
Xitong, Chen. Report on Checking the Turmoil and Quelling the Counter-Revolutionary Rebellion. Beijing: New Star Publishers, 1989.
The Beijing Riot: A Photo Record. Beijing: New Star Publishers, 1989.
I swear to god if they bring up criminal record or some other bullshit that doesn't pertain to this again I will go to the NYT headquarters and ********************************************************. The murderer didn't know he WAS (he got off the list before the murder jesus christ) on the "poor people who deserve to die" list. The people on the train said Neely never physically harmed or threatened to physically harm anyone, end of story.
"We're not justifying the murder" YES YOU ARE, THE FOCUS SHOULD NOT BE ON THIS
People watched it and won't admit it.
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Part I
Yeah she quotes the CIA and state department (why would they lie?), and doesn't question it at all, which flies in the face of her "journalistic process" nonsense at the end. > "I remember my first, brief meeting with Seymour Hersh in Beirut in 2009. I was based there for the BBC..."
Of course! The British government propaganda station only reports fair and true information! Let us now critique his relations to Assad and gloss over this...
> "But by the time the Syrian civil war sent shockwaves through the Middle East, Hersh’s relationship with the Assads seemed to affect his journalism. In Syria’s ugly, bloody civil war, he took the dictator’s side, claiming — against all existing evidence — that it was the rebels and not the regime who used sarin gas in chemical attacks. Unlike Hersh’s investigations into America’s chemical warfare in the 1960s, his Syria reporting seemed to be based on his assumption that the U.S. government lies, rather than witnesses or evidence"
The U.S. government does lie. Consistently. And where is her skepticism when it came to uncritically quoting the state department earlier (don't worry, she questions Russia's acceptance of the theory)? It has returned, it seems, only to provide no evidence for her point but merely suggest that the evidence exists.
> "This is how disinfo 101 works... A piece is published, it triggers a reaction. Media then reports on the reaction, further extending the lifespan of that original piece.”
???
Part II
Let's see how much "disinfo" we can find in another article on this site:
"Pearls, rhino horns and arsenic: Covid-hit North Koreans advised to turn to traditional medicine"
> "... guards were issued shoot-to-kill orders along the hermit country’s border with China, while state media warned people that everything from snow, to birds, to trash in the ocean could carry COVID. Citizens were ordered inside on numerous occasions, supposedly to shelter from 'dust storms from China' that the government feared could carry the virus."
Shoot to kill orders? This is shocking... surely the link will follow to some authoritative source on the matter (it's another one of her articles). And in this article, she just claims the same thing without any citation. Is this not how disinformation actually works? There's no link to state media on the warning of snow carrying COVID, but there is a link for their claim that state media suggested people stay inside because of dust storms. This links to a BBC article which states: > "Yellow dust refers to sand from Mongolian and Chinese deserts that blows into North and South Korea at certain times of the year. It is intermingled with toxic dust that for years has raised health concerns in both countries."
So they have legitimate concerns.
> "North Korea’s main state-run outlet, Rodong Sinmun, has published official treatment advice for the virus. It advises people to take antibiotics, which are not effective in fighting the virus, as they treat bacterial infections. The newspaper also recommended dairy products and folk remedies like honeysuckle flowers and willow tree leaves. It also called for a medicine called angunguhwanghwan, a traditional North Korean concoction that contains pearls, rhino horn and gold leaf, as well as dangerous levels of mercury, lead and arsenic"
Again, quite shocking. No link is given to Rodong Sinmun but instead to NK News. The article contains no citations for its quotes from state media.
> "North Korea has a track record of developing scientifically unproven treatments, such as injections made from ginseng which it claimed could cure AIDS. Pushing bogus cures is a family trait in hermetic, isolated states"
This claim is cited from an NPR article. NPR is a U.S. government affiliated news service, but we will see what they have to say:
> "The World Health Organization says there's no known cure or vaccine for MERS, but state-run media in Pyongyang reports a wonder drug called Kumdang-2 will do the trick. The report makes no mention of whether Pyongyang is going to offer this miracle compound to its neighbor to the south. Or as the news agency puts it: 'the Korean puppet authorities' in Seoul. Note to readers: The next few paragraphs require us to use the word 'allegedly' more than a few times"
That note is included in the original article (go check). Why? Because they don't actually have any direct examples of state media suggesting this. (Note: there is no link for the "Pyongyang state-run media report" in the paragraph). They will say this is because it is difficult to access information on the DPRK, except both Rodong Sinmun and KCNA are publicly accessible in multiple languages online. Some articles aren't automatically translated into English, but this doesn't require an anonymous source to work around.
> "While the government has announced that the military will be used to deliver supplies to people in the most need, Dr. Lim tells me the allocation of these scarce resources will likely be based on loyalty to the party — meaning that many North Koreans are likely to resort to alternative treatments"
No need to cite the government announcement, journalism is hard.
Part III
Now I found another report of Natalia's (author of the first article) that made me really unwell. It's titled: "A boom in 3D-printed guns, North Korean cat hunters and China versus Pfizer" seen here. The issue I'll be discussing is the middle item "North Korean cat hunters." Natalie writes: > "North Koreans along the country’s border have been ordered to kill stray cats, because they could 'bring the virus from China'"
This is deeply disturbing. The order is cited from Daily NK (which is funded by the NED, which itself is funded annually by congress). The article cites an anonymous source for the claim.
It seems Natalia is by far a more experienced purveyor of misinformation than anyone else. Far more reliant on trusting government sources at their word, far more interested in fabricating details to suit her agenda, etc.
you're not funny answer my damn question
AND NOTHING ABOUT HOW THE DIVISION WASN'T EVEN VOTED ON, THE US JUST PUT IT SOMEWHAT IN THE MIDDLE WITH SEOUL IN THEIR TERRITORY, SO HOW COULD THE NORTH "INVADE" THE SOUTH????