Lucas Rubio studies the DPRK and in recent years he has been spreading knowledge about it, he even went on big podcasts to talk about the country and he is bothering a lot of different people, liberals, conservatives, ancaps, pretty much all of them are constantly coping really hard anytime he gets a lil bit of views
Ngl I really want the communist movement here to grow a lot and grow fast so we can have more pro-capitalist tears, it's extremelly entertaining
He has an entire text dedicated to "exposing" Luna, its pathetic and very dishonest.
Not only that but an american man arguing with a vietnamese woman if its okay or not to appeal to america's racist and chauvinist patriotism for a revolution is just next level ironic. Mf is completely disconected from reality
The Black Panthers never expresse any sympathy towards american patriotism, quite the opposite. They became staunch internationalists and linked the struggle in the third world to their own againt american government.
And about the Trotskyst problem in america they have denounced, I dont think this is good reasons to give them any kind of space anywhere, even a broken clock is right twice a day and based on the texts on his substack, it seems this is the case. Appealing to american nationalism is dangerous because it is an idea founded on the genocide and exploitation that is a product of the american bourgeoisie. Nothing will change that, if Haz is really interested in fighting againt his country bourgeoisie, maybe he shouldnt be upholding their symbols of oppression
I think his criticism towards Hakim and Luna are wrong, specially that horrible and ahistorical comparision between modern Russia and North Vietnam.
He does have some valid points but the amount of bad takes in this text is astonishing. Every good think he says has been said better by other texts that do not have reactionary worldview regarding minorities rights or uncritical support for Putin. I think I never read or interacted with PatSocs in a meaningful way before reading this and I honestly wish I never did.
Sorry but I think this text is horrible.
Its a reactionary mess with a few good points that other better texts have already addressed without attacking other ML comrades like Luna Oi.
Haz missrepresents Hakims statements and essentially "refutes" an strawman version of what he calls the "Marxist-Leninist" position.
First and foremost, he directly ties the idea of "wokeness", "identity politics" and "political correctness" to "social engeneering" and the US mainstream media views. This is a pathetic and reactionary position to take. Not only that but he claims this is the "mainstream consensus". If so, then why the fuck the US is still so damn racist? why is LGBTphobia so prevalent? Why are minorities still being murdered? This take is so horrendous that it also directly contradicts the single greatest revolutionary movement in the US: The Black Panther Party. They were before anything else, worried about black people in the US, but they understood their struggle is connected to a bigger one. They have shown us what is partially the way to radicalize the american working class, and it holds up to this day. The biggest mass mobilizations against the american goverment in the last few years were a direct consequence of George Floyd death and the black movement repsonse to it. Denouncing "wokeness" and "identity politics" is a stupid mistake and I don't think we should listen to people who insist on pushing this reactionary idea.
Anyway, let's talk about what he is actually concerned with in this text: the Russia-Ukraine war
I know most people here in Lemmygrad support Russia in this invasion. I too used to support Russia but my positioning has changed in the months I stopped browsing here and now, after knowing better and interacting more with my country (Brazil) ML organizations, I believe that simply supporting Russia is a mistake and one of the reasons for that is exactly why this text by Haz is so problematic.
One thing he mentions is that Hakims idea of not supporting the war is "idealistic". It is not. The proof of that is that most of the third world did not support or condemned it. Most of them were "Neutral". Brazil for example condemned the invasion but refused to apply sanctions against Russia and refused to send Ukraine armaments. Instead, they insist on a diplomatic solution where Russias very valid security concerns regarding NATO are addressed. This is a positions that is held by every single ML that I talked with. Hell, this is the position that China defended. None of them have the slightiest illusion about Putin, a well know anti-communistand reactionary of the worst kind. But Haz and his infrared ilk do. (More on this later)
This position also doesnt mean supporting the US/NATO, quite the opposite. Back when the war broke out, the Party for Socialism and Liberation (PSL) released a perfect statement the condemned the war but did not support Russia. Its last paragraphs summon it pretty well:
"Recognizing that Russia has legitimate security concerns does not require an endorsement of all its military actions, nor Putin’s suggestion that Ukraine has no basis to exist as an independent county, nor his larger geopolitical strategies. The role of the U.S. antiwar movement is not to follow the line of countries in conflict with U.S. imperialism, but to present an independent program of peace and solidarity and anti-imperialism.
The menace of war can only be defeated by international solidarity among the peoples of the world and a resolute struggle against U.S. imperialism, which must demand the abolition of NATO. No war on Russia!"
The US wanted this war to happen for a series of reasons: First, because it would give them reasons for crippling Russia with insane sanctions, and they did so. Second, the military-industrial complex could flood Ukraine with wepaons in order to profit, and they did so. Third, they wanted to weaken Russia, and have openly stated that. The continuation of this war favors no one but american imperialism, and Haz position of unconditional and uncritical support to Russia shows that he is not paying attention to the US intentions.
Since the beggining of this war, the US has destroyed the Nordstream and is making Germany - the strongest and most influential european state - act against their own interests in detriment of american ones.
Honestly if you want to read an amazing text about US imperialism and the ukrianian war I highly recommend these two studies by the Tricontinental:
About Putin:
Putin is an anti-communist. Haz is right when he mentions that the URSS achievments are still present in modern Russia in some degree. That doesnt make Putin an ally. He had Ieltsin blessings as his successor and has tried to join the west multiple times. He even tried to join fucking NATO. His opposition to western order is nothing more but a consequence of years of western agressions. Don't think for a second he is an ally, he is not. Although it is interesting for us a strong Russia that opposes the west creating a multipolar world, we must hold no illusions towards modern Russia. I feel like some of us forget the "critical" in "critical support". Haz is definitelly one of these.
Also, last thing, but extremelly important: Comparing Modern Russia and Vietnam is an ahistorical, antimaterialist and pathetic take. The Russia-Ukraine war is not similar to the Vietnam war in anything. Russia is not socialist in any way. And Ukraine is not simply part of Russia. It is an independemt country that had this independence given to it by Lenin, opposing Russiam chauvinism back then. Does that mean supporting Banderites and other Ukraine nacionalists nowadyas? Hell no, but also it doesnt mean supporting fucking Russian chauvinism that Putin represents.
Haz is a dishonest reactionary and both Hakim and Luna are 100% correct in their assesments.
The plotline of every Marvel movie that doesnt have a white male as a protagonist
Operação de hoje da PRF foi traçada em reunião no Alvorada
There is an ongoing attempt by Jair Bolsonaro to stop Brazilians from voting. The federal police is (illegally) stopping voters on their way to the voting places in regions where Lula won in the first round.
Northeast region is the region that got Lula most votes and is also the one with the greater number of police intervention happening right now.
Apparently this coup was planned by Bolsonaro and their team on November 19th.
I'll update as soon as we have more info
Edit: sorry that the article is in portuguese. There aren't any in english yet bc it's all happening right now and we don't have much info. Feel free to use google translator though
Edit2: Despite the fascist shitshow, Lula just won the voting. But we all know Bolsonaro and his minion wont be defeated only in elections. We still have a lot of fighting to do. This is an important victory that might buy us time, but we must not have any illusions on what it means.
Well looks like drugs is a polemic topic and we have no consensus overall regarding its use
I dont. I do like the recent X-Men reboot because they have a "revolutionary" vibe but thats pretty much it.
Do any of you writes/draw comic books/manga? Do you have any ideas? Maybe we could start something ourselves
What are the "Beria lies"?
The craziest thing Ive learned in my life is that spider-man co-creator Steve Ditko was an "objectivist" aka Ayn Rand follower
How tf do you write about a working class hero struggling with money, hates his boss profoundly and fights bilionares and you are a fucking ancap?
Would you rather read the entire harry potter saga or 3 of rothbard "most acclaimed" works?
hmm what are the chances of seeing a communist Russia again in the next 10 years?
This is a big ass post, so here is a small summary:
This is part 1 (yes there will be more) of me explaining some things about Brazil. Today I'll talk about it's recent history, from the US-backed dictatorship in 64 to the end of Dilma's government in 2016 and also about other important things, like our police force.
2022 elections, Imperialism, Bolsonaro's election, Brazilian communists strategies for achieving revolution and anything after Dilma's impeachment will be in future posts. Hope you like it!
The pic is of protesters for and against Dilma's impeachment in 2016
#WHAT IS GOING ON?
This year is an important year for Brazil. It's election year! And although electoralism is doomed to failure, it still is an important moment for discussing certain policies and radicalize the working class. But before we talk about the elections, the key players and the political strategies of each group, we have to understand it's context and why this is a critical year for us.
I also hope that this helps you in your analysis of your country and maybe will help us understand better how the right wing is behaving worldwide and hopefully help us formulate strategies to counter them.
#THE MILITARY DICTATORSHIP
Back in the 60's, João Goulart became the president after Jânio Quadros renounced. Goulart, a social democrat, tried to implement several basic reforms with the objective of overcoming Brazilian underdevelopment, one of them being the agrarian reform. He was denounced as a communist and deposed on April 1, 1964, in a US-backed coup d'état by the Brazilian military.
In 2012, the Comissão Nacional da Verdade (CNV), Nacional Truth Comission in portuguese, was created by president Dilma. It's mission was to investigate human rights violations during the dictatorship era, and it found out that 8 thousand natives were murdered (this is literal genocide btw), 6 thousand military officials were persecuted and at least 434 people were killed by the regime. These are the numbers in CNV final report released in 2014, 30 years after the end of the regime, but the number of dead people could be (and to be honest, really is) bigger than that. At least 1000 mortal remains need to be identified. This is not even mentioning tortures and other human rights violations.
Still, no one was ever judged or responsibilized properly by these crimes, and the military refuses to acknowledge them properly, some even deny or downplay them.
The dictatorship "ended" in 1985 and liberal democracy returned in 1988. I wrote "ended" in quotes because it didn't really end, at least in my point of view. The main reason why the regime was installed in the first place was to stop the much needed reforms Goulart was doing, but this would harm the bourgeoisie interests, so in order to protect them, liberals, conservatives and other reactionary forces of the society supported this coup, that had anti-communism as one of it's foundations. Many comrades were tortured and murdered back then, the most famous one being Marighella. When the dictatorship ended, although we had a huge popular movement like "Diretas Já", it was ended by the people in power, in a handshake basically. All the power structure, all the institutions remained untouched in this transition. The television network Rede Globo is a great example of this. During the military regime, it cooperated with the dictatorship and became the gigantic monopoly that it is today, and this has never changed. Even after 1988, they constantly manipulate presidential debates, news and spread propaganda for agribusiness and other sectors of the bourgeoisie. (If you want to understand Globo better, there is an old but amazing documentary called "Beyond Citizen Kane".)
Another important but often overlooked thing about the brazilian dictatorship is that it was used as a basis for building other military dictatorships in latin america, like in Chile and Argentina, and later would join in Operation Condor. They were essential for destroying communist movement in south america and bringing in american imperialism.
#LULA'S GOVERNMENT
In 1980, the Workers Party, Partido dos Trabalhadores or PT in portuguese, was founded by people who opposed the dictatorship. Initially, They were essential to defeat the dictatorship by organizing workers and protests all over the country. In 1989, Lula - one of the founder of the party and it's most known member - was PT's candidate in the first free elections of the new Brazilian democracy.
Lula began his carrear in unions and in 86 he won a seat in the congress. He was extremely popular and many people believed he was going to win 89 elections. But Globo presented an edited version of a debate between Lula and Collor (the other candidate) after the second round favoring Collor which many argue that influenced the elections. Collor won, and Lula would run for president in every election after that. Finally, in 2002, he was elected.
Lula government was a huge success, and he left the government with the highest approval rates ever registered in this country. He was also the first truly left wing government in it's history, even if his government was far from radical. During this time, social welfare programs like bolsa família and fome zero were implemented and improved life conditions, lifting many people out of extreme poverty and hunger.
Unfortunately, real life is far from perfect and is full of contradictions, and these very contradictions would be partially responsible for the fall of PT. Lula and Dilma’s governments were class conciliation governments. During their tenure, several companies grew strong and some even became monopolies, such as Cogna educational (previously called Kroton Educational). Cogna is the biggest company of its kind in the whole WORLD and operates in all kinds of educational levels, ranging from pre-school to post-graduation. It owns several private colleges in Brazil and it’s a good example on how Lula’s government operated. The higher education in the country has always been discriminatory. Only the elites had access to it and so it was necessary to create public policies to allow more and more people to enter the college. So the government created Programa Universidade para Todos (University for All Program) or PROUNI, which, together with a previous program, the Fundo de Financiamento ao Estudante do Ensino Superior (Higher Education Student Financing Fund) or simply FIES, served to finance entry into universities for low-income people. PROUNI offers partial (50%) or full scholarships while FIES only divides the debt into smaller parts, which means that it will still be the student who will pay for the course. Thanks to these projects, college became something more accessible and popular. However, education companies also profited a lot and expanded. Kroton was one of them, which even bought other companies, becoming the giant that it is today. But the bourgeois beast's hunger for profit knows no bounds, and soon companies began to pressure the state to privatize the rest of the public universities and turn all public education into private. This is an ongoing process that gained momentum after the 2016 coup (more on this later). Similar processes happened in different areas, (public transport, medical, agribusiness, etc) but overall the bourgeoisie can’t profit properly if you have decent public services, and their profits don’t grow forever, especially during crisis, whether political or economic.
These situations are NOT specific to Lula’s government – in fact, they are merely consequences of how capitalist countries work. Lula improved our life conditions a lot, fought directly against the dictatorship and, although he is not a radical anymore, his class conciliation government improved Brazil a lot and many people – communist included – have big respect for him. Lula left the government in 2010 with one of the biggest approval rates in the whole world.
#BRAZILIAN MILITARY POLICE
Before we move on, I think it's important to talk about something that I left out. Earlier I mentioned that the dictatorship “didn’t end” because many institutions and power structures of the time were kept intact. One of these was the police force. During the 90s, Brazil had several cases of police violence that shocked the country, the most famous being the Candelária massacre, when eight homeless people were murdered by cops next to a church, and the Carandiru massacre, that happened after the police invaded a penitentiary following a prison riot and killed 111 prisoners. But these are just the worst cases, the truth is, Brazil never stopped killing and torturing people - the difference is that instead of torturing white middle class students, they are now killing exclusively black, poor people.
This problem did NOT end during PT era, quite the opposite. The number of people arrested only grew, there was not enough space for everyone in the prison facilities and the majority of the people arrested were poor black men. It was also during this era that initiatives such as UPP - Unidade de Polícia Pacificadora (Pacifying Police Units) were created. This programs was first implemented in Rio de Janeiro but inspired many other throughout the country. Basically, the idea was to counter drug dealers that terrorized the population and controlled favelas, but the result was a disaster, not only the drug dealers kept the control on certain territories, but the police brutality in these areas were off the charts. Growing up, it was common to see news about police incursions in favelas that ended up with 10+ deaths that the police claimed were all drug dealers but the population claimed otherwise.
As if things were not bad enough, Brazil also has a militia problem. During the cold war, US and France trained death squads to fight against communists and the practices learned would later be adopted by the militias. One group in special, Scuderie Detetive Le Cocq, had a member that was elected using the slogan “Bandido bom é bandido morto!” (A good thief is a dead thief). They operate to this day and still torture and kill people, but they also exploit the population of the areas they control, charging "taxes" on all local businesses, intimidating those who oppose them and killing rival factions such as drug dealers. These groups are also involved in the killings of socialists and human rights defenders, one recent example was the assassination of Marielle Franco, a black, bisexual , socialist woman that was assisting people in the favelas and fighting against police brutality. Her death in 2018 impacted the Brazilian society and is surrounded by controversy, including a possible involvement of the current president, Jair Bolsonaro.
#2013 - 2014 CRISIS
In 2010, Dilma Rousseff became the first woman to be Brazil’s president. She also fought against the dictatorship by joining Marxist guerrillas groups and was arrested and tortured. The fact that she was now the president was a big deal, even though she was no longer a Marxist. Dilma continued Lula’s class-conciliation policies. She had a good approval rate during her first term, Brazil’s economy was going well and the president implemented policies focusing on developing national industries. Unemployment was low and inflation was under control. Brazil was growing at lower rates compared to previous years, but it was still growing.
Unfortunately, problems started to arise. The economy growing at lower rates left the bourgeoisie discontented. In addition, the 2014 world cup would be in Brazil and it was necessary to carry out a series of infrastructure works to support the event. Airports were privatized to accelerate this process and several other partnerships between the government and private companies were made to modify public transportation, stadiums and basic infrastructure.
Public services, such as transportation, education and healthcare had definitely improved in the last 10 years, but were extremely precarious. So when the government started building things for the world cup, part of the population was dissatisfied.In June 2013, mainly due to high bus fares that would rise even more, protests spread across the country. It was the beginning of the "Jornadas de Junho", a series of protests led mainly by MPL or Movimento Passe Livre (Free Fare Movement) in several cities with the majority of the protestors being young Brazilians. They were characterized by a certain distrust of representatives of the institutional order such as parties and unions (under the control of PT back then), upheld values such as horizontality and non-partisanship and ultimately, represented a rupture with the left that PT represented. The mobilizations were not "controlled" and behaved parades we were used to, they used direct action and black block tactics which resulted in buses being destroyed and burned. These demonstrations were met with brutal repression by the police, which only intensified the protests.
It was a turning point. It could have been the rise of far-left in Brazil, but it didn't happen. The media monopolies such as Globo tried to ignore and downplay it but it was impossible, so they started to co-opt it. The movement lost it focus on public transportation and started to advocate for better healthcare, better education and less corruption. It was common to see signs written "Não vai ter copa!" (There will be no World Cup!) and "Queremos hospitais padrão FIFA!" (We want FIFA-standard hospitals).
So it is clear that initially, these protests were left-leaning, but things started to change. It became more and more common to see people denouncing black block activists, trying to conciliate with cops and displaying Brazil flags around. Some even started claiming they wanted the return of the military dictatorship. The far-right was co-opting the movement.
The 2014 elections were tense, but Dilma managed to win against her opponent, Aécio Neves. a right wing candidate. He claimed the elections were frauded, even though he knew they weren't. In the end of 2014, a new political group was created: MBL or Movimento Brasil Livre (Free Brazil Movement). These young Brazilians for "political renovation" and "party-independence" but it nothing more than the good old economic liberalism overall coupled with socially conservative views. Their agitation relied heavily in memes and had an internet-like aesthetics. Keep these guys in mind.
Political polarization only grew in Brazil and in 2015 we entered an actual economic crisis, which was not good. Inflation was rising, the GDP fell, unemployment was rising and the public debt was also growing.All this meant the bourgeoisie profit rate was falling too, so they started an offensive against the population: labor rights reductions, intensification of liberal policies such as privatizations, destructions of state-owned enterprises and much more. But they had one problem: Dilma, whose government, although not revolutionary, was far from the reactionary one the bourgeois needed. So they need to bring her down.
#2016 DILMA'S IMPEACHMENT
Corruption has always been a problem in Brazil, (in fact, it has always been a problem in every capitalist country ever). But after 2013 and 2014, corruption became one of the main topics of the country and an anti-corruption operation started: Operação Lava Jato (Operation Car Wash). This operation lasted until 2021, condemned more than 100 people and helped shaped political landscape like nothing else. This was an direct attack of the bourgeoisie and American imperialism on the Brazilian working class, and we will discuss this more in depth later. For now, it is important to know that corruption was a hot topic and that's exactly what they would try to use against Dilma. There is an economic policy that has been used by almost all Brazilian presidents called "pedalada fiscal".. I won't get in detail here, not only because it is a bit complicated but because what matters is that this has been extensively used in Brazil, including by Dilma. Her impeachment was based on the claim that such policy is illegal and goes against the constitution, a.k.a. her impeachment was bullshit and this was actually a coup d'etat.
The voting section was broadcasted live for the entire country and it was really fucking cringe. It doesn't matter if you're left wing, right wing, or an enlightened centrist, everyone watching that circus was dying inside. Politicians would come to vote and say shit like "For my family, for my son who has 2 years old and my wife whom I love so much [etc etc], for God and the for the pride of our nation, I vote yes!". Glauber Braga, a leftists from the party for socialism and liberty (PSOL), was a highlight, calling Sérgio Moro - the judge responsible for the Operation Car Wash - a thief and voting against the impeachment. But one person in that section did something extremely deranged. Not cringe, not funny, just straight up Nazi shit. He went to center of the room and said: "For the memory of Colonel Carlos Alberto Brilhante Ustra, the terror of Dilma Rousseff, for the army of Caxias, for the Armed Forces, for Brazil above all and for God above all, my vote is yes".
Although he was already a meme in the internet for a while and some fascists loved him, no one took him seriously and most of the Brazilians didn't even knew him. This was the moment most Brazilians met Bolsonaro, right after he praised one of the torturers that was responsible for torturing Dilma. It was just a preview of what was about to come.
That's it for today. In the next post I'll continue right after the 2016 coup and I'll also talk about recent imperialist activity. Please tell me if it's hard to read because of shitty/weird english, this is not my first language and the only way for me to improve is to know where I made a mistake.
Extra sources:
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https://lavrapalavra.com/2018/11/12/republica-louca-luta-de-classes-no-brasil-2013-2018-os-de-cima/
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The CIA: A forgotten history - William Blum, page 181-191
Not really, I was joking (mostly)
They are a decentralized group of hackertivists that go way back to the early 2000's, and if I'm not mistaken, they claimed they are socialists, but I'm not sure.
The thing is, there is no way for us to know who are they or when are they acting and when is another group impersonatingthem, bc they want to protect their privacy while they act against goverments and other institutions.
I've seen many "Anonymous" twitter and facebook pages talking about recent topics while spreading western propaganda.Obviously, these are fake, but libs believe it anyway. And it is not something recent either, I remenber back in 2013/2014 during the huge protests in Brazil that there were a LOT of posts about them and claiming they did a series of attacks. I was really young and didnt really care but I remember thinking it was "cool". You can see many people from these protests using the guy fawkes mask.
The point is: It's very easy for the departament of state/CIA/NSA to "infiltrate" the movement and use it for propaganda. Since they are seen as the good guystm fighting against ebil authoritarianism 1984 and they have that good old decentrilization idea that libs and anarchists love so much.
Although the initial idea of the group seems cool and they have even collaborated with wikileaks, the movement could be - and I believe it has been for a while - co opted by the NSA in order to spread propaganda
I mean look at what they have done w reddit and other social media, I don't think it's too far fetched to claim this
EDIT: Just as a side note, to add a bit more context, we had big protests here in Brasil back in 2013/2014 that actually started as LEFT WING protests. The rulling class ignored it as long as they could but they grew stronger and stronger and then they attempted to infiltrate it and it worked. After some time there were all kinds of reactionaries even asking for the return of the fucking military dictatorship and it would eventually lead to the fall of the workers party and the rise of Bolsonaro and his neoliberal policies. I believe 100% the US played a key role in this process and that it was no different from color revolutions like the Euromaidan in Ukraine or the arab spring in africa. But I'll make a post about Brazil soon discussing all this with kore context, but it's getting too big and I'm trying to write it in a decent way and as succint as possible so it will take some days.
Lol libs really believe in this "Anonymous" bullshit?
I mean they DO exist but we should just call them by their real name, NSA
Sickening.
Americans never fails to disgust me.
I was replying to another post about STEMs, when I found this article criticizing Einstein's views of the USSR. It's only 5 pages so Iit's a very fast reading. It's funny af, an article about skeptcism and bias to be parroting anti-communist propaganda and comparing H*tler to Stalin without a hint of irony.
Also, I knew he was a socialist but holy shit, he would 100% be called "tankie redfash" nowadays
Anyway, here are the funniest parts:
>Einstein refused to join or endorse an international commission headed by John Dewey to investigate the Moscow Show Trials (a consistent skeptic would seek both confirmatory and discrediting evidence) and would subsequently write to Max Born that “there are increasing signs the Russian trials are not faked, but that there is a plot among those who look upon Stalin as a stupid reactionary who has betrayed the ideas of the revolution” (quoted in Born 1971, p. 130). Born would later comment that most people in the West at the time believed the trials “to be the arbitrary acts of a cruel dictator.” Einstein, however, relied upon information from people he described as “those who know Russia best.”
Based af
>While Einstein’s writings, letters, and correspondence on this issue are scattered, his correspondence with the philosopher Sidney Hook on this specific issue is most enlightening (and disturbing).
Liberal cope
>Max Born (1971) also found Einstein’s views toward the Soviet Union “hard to reconcile” (p. 131). Hook (1987) summarizes that he “was mystified by Einstein’s failure to come to grips with the revelations of the victims of Stalin’s terror” (p. 478).
More cope
Libs are hanging out with nazis, shitheads like Churchil, Thatcher, Pinochet and Reagan while we hang out with chads like Fred Hampton, Mao, Lenin, Mandela and now Einstein
Which laws cringe korea has based on age/looks discrimination?
We need a Harry Potter sub to spread propaganda to libs